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DO EAST ASIANS BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPERIOR TO WESTERNERS?
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is a bit absurd. Do they believe thier system of morality and values ( in other words, thier culture - I see this as the core of culture, pots and paintings and songs are just fluff except in thier capacity to comment on the core values of a culture ) are better? Of course they do, everyone does. If I didn't believe my value system was best I would not have it as my value system. Everyone is the same on this, the world over, nothing interesting to be had down this line of thinking. As for technologically, that is different because it can simply be quantified and tested, it resides in the world of reality. The former is based on pure opinion, based on cultural setting.

Having said all that, people who really go as far as to see things as large and amorphus as a country, culture, ethnicity, as "superior" are living out of a set of very unexamined, unevolved, and unsophisticated values.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
a hunch...

in terms of intellect, they do better at math and science


yet are far behind the west in science and technology


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in terms of culture, they pre-date America


So does Africa...its not the length of time but what they have happened to achieve during that time. Take China or India, both started out fast out of the gate millenia ago but have fallen far behind. Even with their headstart they are so far behind the West that its tragic. They acer catching up but doing it by tapping western scientific/technological advances and western style of governance. If China closed itself off they would be living like it was the 19th century. Also the West is more than just the US

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in terms of society, they have more cohesion and family values


one could argue that their collectivism is their weakness.[/quote]


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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The case can be made that Vedic culture strongly influenced all other cultures - especially eastern Asian cultures (eg: Angkor Wat was a huge Vedic temple complex in Cambodia ...) Although there is no conclusive proof empirically, there is considerable evidence consistent with the idea that in ancient times, Vedic culture was global in scope as there are traces of it found on all continents (eg: Rome comes from Rama, Argentina comes from Arjuna ...)

Public perception is still colored by the work done by early British Indologists who tried to discredit the native culture of "their" Indian colony as barbaric, and Christian missionaries tried their darndest to impose their meat-eating religion (although early Christians were vegetarians because Jesus and John the Baptist essentially personified Vedic culture...)

Of course, everything in the material world - even Vedic culture - tends to get corrupted in time. The original Varna-ashrama dharma outlined by Krishna in Bhagavad-gita degraded into the caste system when unqualified brahmins claimed social superiority by birthright...

However, the sankirtana movement begun by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the early 16th Century in India and brought to the west by Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is gradually restoring the original Vedic idea that all the diverse social and spiritual conponents of society should function harmoniously to achieve progress toward real happiness for everyone - including animals.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/proof_of_vedic_culture's_global_existence.htm

http://www.salagram.net/VWH-x-cultures.html

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity_and_the_vedic_teachings_within_it.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/features/03-07/features579.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
The case can be made that Vedic culture strongly influenced all other cultures - especially eastern Asian cultures (eg: Angkor Wat was a huge Vedic temple complex in Cambodia ...) Although there is no conclusive proof empirically, there is considerable evidence consistent with the idea that in ancient times, Vedic culture was global in scope as there are traces of it found on all continents (eg: Rome comes from Rama, Argentina comes from Arjuna ...)

Public perception is still colored by the work done by early British Indologists who tried to discredit the native culture of "their" Indian colony as barbaric, and Christian missionaries tried their darndest to impose their meat-eating religion (although early Christians were vegetarians because Jesus and John the Baptist essentially personified Vedic culture...)

Of course, everything in the material world - even Vedic culture - tends to get corrupted in time. The original Varna-ashrama dharma outlined by Krishna in Bhagavad-gita degraded into the caste system when unqualified brahmins claimed social superiority by birthright...

However, the sankirtana movement begun by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the early 16th Century in India and brought to the west by Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is gradually restoring the original Vedic idea that all the diverse social and spiritual conponents of society should function harmoniously to achieve progress toward real happiness for everyone - including animals.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/proof_of_vedic_culture's_global_existence.htm

http://www.salagram.net/VWH-x-cultures.html

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christianity_and_the_vedic_teachings_within_it.htm

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/features/03-07/features579.htm



Argentina comes from Arjuna? Negative. You do know there was a lot of mining by the Spaniards in South America. Did you pay attention in chemistry as much as you did to getting yourself immersed in Hindu thinking and lore? If you so, you would know there is a connexion between the element silver and the name Argentina. Enough said on that.

As far as East Asians, the Chinese are said to have felt they did not want to mix with foreigners in the past. In the old days, it was illegal for African Americans to mix with whites. The Chinese sometimes said they didn't care, because they didn't want to mix with them in the first place.
There was also this pride in their ancient cultures. The West has looked powerful but not sophisticated. They felt we were uncouth to some extent, but they have admired our prowess, ability to take over.

The West represents strength to them. However, they do know they outperform North Americans at least on tests. Perhaps, the Swedes and Germans don't do so badly and Canadians do better than the Americans.
However, I do not believe in this idea that they have a higher IQ considering how many hours these students study. You don't see a bunch of teenage students in Korea smoking pot. They are studying for many hours.

I think it is a mixed bag. In some ways, they feel superior and someways they feel inferior. In Korea, they believe in looking similar to Caucasians without thinking about it. They have to learn English.
It seems like a love and hate relationship, Steve.

People in the West do feel superior. They are the power brokers at the moment, but now so are the Chinese. When you go to the U.S., you do feel you are in an Empire like Rome where people feel they are the powerful one, America is the greatest just like London was the world.
This is the reality. I did read an account where when the Muslims had their empire they held such views. The Romans had those views over those they conquered or those they felt they outclassed in terms of raw power.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnhnhyouh wrote:

When you consider what was in Seoul 50 years ago, a pile of rubble, they seem to have come a long way, very very quickly.


They had 4950 years to plan and had a lot of help from other countries. Compared to U.S. and Canada who only have a few hundred years of history.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Japanese think they're superior but Koreans know they aren't, and they don't give themselves enough credit. Most Koreans don't know they're smarter, more disciplined, more well educated than western kids (even if there are major faults with that education). I also hear a lot of Koreans say they think foreigners are more polite than Koreans. Definitely not.
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VirginIslander



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who would you rather teach? There is your answer.
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mikowee



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gyopo, so I guess I'm as qualified as any to give an answer on this subject. I'll be honest, I feel that as a race Asians are intellectually and culturally superior to westerners. Our smaller penises keep my pride in check though...
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just answer this question.

What region in the world are the majority of people on this planet striving to move to?

Is it Asia? Africa or South America?

No it's the West particulary America. Western money dominates this planet. The strongest combined military easily comes from the West.

Three out of the five Security council nations are from the West. This block of countries dominates the global political arena.

Hollywood culture is the most widely spread and Western movies, music, ect.. have been copied and adopted around the globe.

The far majority of technological advances (internet, light bulb, nuclear energy, basic city planning - buses, subways, ect..., automobile, ect...) are Western inspired.



Yes there are many different cultures who believe their culture is superior. But in the cold harsh world where survival of the fittest reigns supreme, no other block of nations complares with the West.

Nobody.



Now I certainly have some problems with Western culture. But I'll save that for another thread.

But no one can deny the power and attraction (positive and negative) and Western culture holds over this globe. And as a result you have to think that many outside the West feel and certain sense on inferority as a result.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: DO EAST ASIANS BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPERIOR TO WESTERNERS? Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Actually, let me rephrase the question with a qualifier:

In your opinion, do MANY East Asians really believe they're superior to Westerners? If so, in what ways? Intellectually? Culturally? Socially?
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Im my opinion, any advocate of any culture thinks his/her culture is better then any other culture.

My opnion also is that there is not "best" culture. They all have there merits and drawbacks.

Are you trying to make the world black/white? Because your posts really stink of it.
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blynch



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

americans are neither east asians nor westners.

americans are americans.

god bless america...
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skinhead



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
The question is a bit absurd. Do they believe thier system of morality and values ( in other words, thier culture - I see this as the core of culture, pots and paintings and songs are just fluff except in thier capacity to comment on the core values of a culture ) are better? Of course they do, everyone does. If I didn't believe my value system was best I would not have it as my value system. Everyone is the same on this, the world over, nothing interesting to be had down this line of thinking. As for technologically, that is different because it can simply be quantified and tested, it resides in the world of reality. The former is based on pure opinion, based on cultural setting.

Having said all that, people who really go as far as to see things as large and amorphus as a country, culture, ethnicity, as "superior" are living out of a set of very unexamined, unevolved, and unsophisticated values.
That's fairly close to what I was gonna say.

Yes, they do. I teach mainly Chinese students in a 20 week bridging course for an Australian university, and their initial sense of complete superiority over students from other Asian cultures is chilling at times. Some of them are actually offended that they have to work with these other 'humans' in group work situations. I find that most Chinese adapt fairly well after a significant period of time has passed (particularly the young women (!), but there are always those cultural fundamentalists who simply can't see past their ignorant arses. If they are straight out rude or offensive to others, I go a bit 'judge judy' on them, but most times I let them slide on by. No good comes from antagonising them. We use a problem-based learning philosophy here, so it's actually good for some of the more motivated students to experience working with twats. Toughens them up before they start their courses. I simply work more closely with 'the rejected' members of their groups - they appreciate it.

As for superiority over westerners, there is no doubt that those same individuals who lord it over their classmates are also of the opinion that the Australian university system wastes too much of their precious time in insisting on academic rigour, accurate referencing of all source information used and original analytical thinking in presenting their ideas (OMG!) and that Australians are inferior to themselves culturally historically, and even physically. They who are so lacking in any form of initiative are the most resistant to progress because they think they already know everything worth knowing, seems to me. Or maybe they've already lost so much of their lives being invested with ideological brainwashing that they can't face another round. Dunno.

It always puzzles me why such people would invest so much time, money and stress coming to live and study in a place that they disrespect so much.

Westerners would never be that stupid.

Would they? Razz
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the irony of "skinhead's" avatar name is too obvious to point out:
http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/wsgwssm.asp - Reportedly, there's a resurgence of racist skinheads in the U.S. (not that all skinheads are racists, necessarily...)

At all levels of American society there has always been some ethnic and racial discrimination, and when we fought wars against Asians they were often demeaningly referred to as "gooks"...

An interesting article on racism appears in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

With so much diversity - and individuals and groups with negative attitudes - it's amazing that there's as much unity as there is in the United States (God bless America!...)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese have always believed themselves to be superior to everyone else, including other Asians. After all it's ZhongGuo (sp) - The Middle Kingdom. They regarded the Vietnamese and neighbouring countries as utter barbarians and basically were forced to open up trade with the British or face having Canton blasted to smithereens. Similar thing with the Japanese - look at the use of the word Gaijin, Guailo in Mandarin?) derogatory word for foreigner now part of mainstream, they themselves have felt superior in every way and certainly left their mark on the continent as history has shown.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
I guess the irony of "skinhead's" avatar name is too obvious to point out:
http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/wsgwssm.asp - Reportedly, there's a resurgence of racist skinheads in the U.S. (not that all skinheads are racists, necessarily...)

"Skinhead" isn't a real skinhead. The numbers of racists in the US is increasing because they are in a state of war, but the non-racist skinheads will stop them from ever becoming a problem.
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