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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
Its kind of interesting that some Westerners accuse Korean women of being overly materialistic, with their obsession on brands, plastic surgery, etc., but on other hand, other Westerners are so horrified that Korean girls are the "victim" of patriarchal society, where they are "meek, helpless" girls who are forced into prostititions.
Korean women- What are they, really? |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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There's something really wrong about Korean culture and womens role in it, definitely, but I think the women have part of the blame for it. Mothers raise their sons to be unable to function without a woman to take care of them, and the younger women are eager to play into that, because they tell themselves it's romantic.
AS for being forced into prostitution- there's a big differnece between being lied to (as many of the Russians and Pinoy girls were before coming to Korea) and needing to do it to get the newest cell phone or escape from credit card debt. (which I've been told is the reason lost of girls go to work at room salons) |
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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
There's something really wrong about Korean culture and womens role in it, definitely, but I think the women have part of the blame for it. Mothers raise their sons to be unable to function without a woman to take care of them, and the younger women are eager to play into that, because they tell themselves it's romantic.
AS for being forced into prostitution- there's a big differnece between being lied to (as many of the Russians and Pinoy girls were before coming to Korea) and needing to do it to get the newest cell phone or escape from credit card debt. (which I've been told is the reason lost of girls go to work at room salons) |
Hmm, another pseudo-Korean expert.
What you describe sounds a lot like Jewish mother.
Sounds like a Korean prostitutess in Los Angeles who also claim that they really thought they were going to work as a massuer only. Lets not BS ourselves.
When non-Korean women do it, they are "oh so innocent victims" of wily Korean men.
When Korean women do it, they are nothing but a materiastic whores. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, another pseudo-Korean expert.
What you describe sounds a lot like Jewish mother. 
Sounds like a Korean prostitutess in Los Angeles who also claim that they really thought they were going to work as a massuer only. Lets not BS ourselves.
When non-Korean women do it, they are "oh so innocent victims" of wily Korean men.
When Korean women do it, they are nothing but a materiastic whores. |
Westerners don't really think these things. You have to realize that it is difficult for westerners to live in Korea, just like it is difficult for Koreans to live in the west.
There are strereotypes of westerners that are taught to Koreans when they are children, just like there are stereotypes of Koreans tought to westerners when they are children. It's not easy for people to forget all the things they have been tought by their home culture. Usually people don't even question what they have been taught until they live abroad for awhile. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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To me it sounds like you watch too many Korean movies. Most movies are escapism and have very little to do with real life. Do you think that robots like the Terminator exist? Do you think that Godzilla-like creatures lurk deep beneath the ocean?
Now I realize that whiners hate Korea (almost every second post by you is an attack on Korea) but this takes it to a new extreme. |
Those are science fiction movies silly. An attack on Korea, for pointing out that adjjoshis have poorer washroom manners compared to other men in the world that I've seen, or that a Korean guy would create a giant spit pool on the floor of a restaurant. Or that foreigners are always the last to be sat next to on a subway bench. That's how it is. Sorry you haven't witnessed any of these things before. Good for you. But I love Korea. |
What are you babbling on about here? The topic was movies. Yes those movies I mentioned are science fiction. And those movies YOU mentioned are fiction. Yet you were attempting to claim that "there's probably a lot of truth to them...To me it sounds like hypocrisy by the Koreans.." |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| markhan wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
Its kind of interesting that some Westerners accuse Korean women of being overly materialistic, with their obsession on brands, plastic surgery, etc., but on other hand, other Westerners are so horrified that Korean girls are the "victim" of patriarchal society, where they are "meek, helpless" girls who are forced into prostititions.
Korean women- What are they, really? |
Well, both.
They ARE materialistic. So much so, that to buy a Louis Vitton handbag, they willingly work as wh0res.
They are not doing it to put food on the table. They are doing it to have material thingies. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
There's something really wrong about Korean culture and womens role in it, definitely, but I think the women have part of the blame for it. Mothers raise their sons to be unable to function without a woman to take care of them, and the younger women are eager to play into that, because they tell themselves it's romantic.
AS for being forced into prostitution- there's a big differnece between being lied to (as many of the Russians and Pinoy girls were before coming to Korea) and needing to do it to get the newest cell phone or escape from credit card debt. (which I've been told is the reason lost of girls go to work at room salons) |
I tend to agree. The reality is that it's, unforunately, still the quickest way for an attractive young girl to make a lot of money in a relatively short period of time. I'm definitely not convinced that they do this due to a lack of economic opportunity in this country. It might just be that they want a lot of money and they don't want to wait for it. I just don't buy into the whole idea that they're forced to do this. South Korea's not exactly a poor country. I could see the inevitability in countries like Thailand or the Phillipines, but not here.
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| To me it sounds like hypocrisy by the Koreans. It is wrong that the Japanese forced Koreans to be sex slaves, but it is okay that we force our own. The force may be different, like was mentioned earlier. The Japanese forced the Korean women at gun point. In Korea, maybe it is the economic situation that forces them. The fact that the government does little about it, as well as the police, and lets these redlight districts continue on shows where they stand on the issue morally. All I want to hear from the Korean stand point when they talk to Japan about the issue is. "You should apologize for forcing our women to be sex slaves. This is our country and we are only allowed to do that." |
Exactement.  
Koreans shout a lot about how the japanese took sex slaves and how the American soldiers caused prostitution here.
What they relentlessly try to hide (they really do think we're stupid) is their massive culture of prostitution that is widespread and acceptable on every street corner, and how a lack of equal employment opportunities forces many women into it. There is an aspect to slavery here because many women start of simply serving drinks but then are told they have to earn more money to keep their jobs, so they have to satisfy a certain number of customers per week as a result.
Of course its quite Ok for korean men to assault women, but watch the national uproar and newspaper headlines if a single foreign male was found to do so.
As you say, abusing Korean women is a right Korean men want to reserve for themselves. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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What are you babbling on about here? The topic was movies. Yes those movies I mentioned are science fiction. And those movies YOU mentioned are fiction. Yet you were attempting to claim that "there's probably a lot of truth to them...To me it sounds like hypocrisy by the Koreans.."
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What do you know about it. There are all kinds of movies that are in part based upon reality, and I'm suggesting the movie Bad Guy probably has more truth to it then the science fiction movies you've mentioned. I say this because I've seen countless other films that portray the industry in this way. If they're all making up this theme, that's fine, and you want to prove my point is wrong go for it, but you're wrong for suggesting the movies you've listed are equally comparable in their degree of realism. Hey, let's look at what the director Kim Ki-Duk had to say about the film and similar films he's directed, "In Korean society, females are very victimized. If my films make it look like the female characters are victimized or are the victims of violence, it is true because it is a reflection of society" http://www.themovieinsider.com/interviews/interview.php?cid=137
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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The different kinds of force are morally different. If somebody makes you pick rocks from a field under threat of death, it's called slavery. If economic necessity makes you do it, it's called a job.
There is an in-between gray area, and I think prostitution often falls in it. If you are starving, and somebody says pick rocks from my field and I'll give you a dollar, you're close to slavery. If you are starving and somebody says, suck my dick and I'll give you a dollar, you are close to slavery. If you were born into a family of drug problems, you are molested while young, you spend a lot of time on the street as a child, end up addicted to something, and somebody says, suck my dick and I'll give you a fix....I'm not convinced that's closer to freely chosen employment than coercion. This kind of coercion or "coercion" (if you prefer) is not rare in wealthy societies.
In general, a threat to one's dignity or survival, such as starvation or addiction, that can be clearly traced back to childhood experiences can have a coercive aspect. Children, by definition, are not responsible for their situation. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| markhan wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
Its kind of interesting that some Westerners accuse Korean women of being overly materialistic, with their obsession on brands, plastic surgery, etc., but on other hand, other Westerners are so horrified that Korean girls are the "victim" of patriarchal society, where they are "meek, helpless" girls who are forced into prostititions.
Korean women- What are they, really? |
Well, both.
They ARE materialistic. So much so, that to buy a Louis Vitton handbag, they willingly work as wh0res.
They are not doing it to put food on the table. They are doing it to have material thingies. |
What if they are doing it to put food on the table but make enough to have some left over for an LV bag?
Who's the genius trying to claim some sort of super knowledge about Korean society from movies? Merlyn? Grow up. |
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Who's the genius trying to claim some sort of super knowledge about Korean society from movies? Merlyn? Grow up.
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Super knowledge about Korean society?? I was making the point about these films and it was supported by the director of Bad Guy himself. Sure he's not the final word on Korean society, nor am I. Your's means nothing to me though. Who's the jerk who seems to start every reply with "Does it matter?" and then contributes nothing to almost every post. That would be you Ralph.
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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What if they are doing it to put food on the table but make enough to have some left over for an LV bag? |
What if your aunt had a d%#k? She'd be your uncle, right?
But that is not what is happening. No 21-25 year old Korean girlz are supporting families. In fact, it's 99% likely the 21-year old Korean prosties live at home and are supported by parents.
They are sucking c0x for shopping sprees, maybe an eye-lid job, etc. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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They are sucking c0x for shopping sprees, maybe an eye-lid job, etc. |
Thats probably true of some.
Others just have no real job opportunities or a poor education, and got into trouble somewhere along the line. Either heavy debt, or running from an abusive family situation.
However,as you say, the poverty of SE Asia largely excuses their idustry, which is not the case here in Korea where a prostitution business accounting for 4% GDP is more than just an embarrassment for an advanced 1st world country. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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What if they are doing it to put food on the table but make enough to have some left over for an LV bag? |
What if your aunt had a d%#k? She'd be your uncle, right? |
No, then she'd be your lover.
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| But that is not what is happening. No 21-25 year old Korean girlz are supporting families. In fact, it's 99% likely the 21-year old Korean prosties live at home and are supported by parents |
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Wow, you did a study and came up with this number? Most likely the prostitutes are forced into this line of work by a variety of factors such as broken homes, lack of education, abusive parents, parents who dont give a shit.
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| They are sucking c0x for shopping sprees, maybe an eye-lid job, etc. |
how ignorant. |
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