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[Octavius Hite]

1. I'm not talking about disarming the US, the point of the article and supposedly the discussion was about how the US can try to tell others what to do while they continue to build, expand and develop new weapons.

2. TUM, the US isn't developing weapons to attack satellites, it doesn't have to. The US has had the ability to shoot down satellites using a variety of methods for decades. The Chinese are just playing catch up.

3. You guys still haven't proved how supporting Hizbollah and hating Israel makes Iran an irrational player (compared with the US' support of similar organizations or Russia's or China's) not deserving a Nuke.


BTW I don't think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons because I believe that having nukes makes countries irrational, I'm just arguing so that people actually think instead of just following blindly Georgie and his team of singing fools and liars.

[Gopher]

[Pligganease]

[freethought]

gopher,

if you read almost any speech on nucs that isn't about escalation, then invariably the speech writer/speaker has something in there about a world with no nucs. That aside, I didn't mean to put no nucs, I meant to write something about non-proliferation, but I was dealin with students asking me questions while I was writing (I'm THAT dedicated to my job...)

My point was that when you label three countries as the principal (and principle) enemies, but invade the one who DOESN'T have WMDs, hold talks and don't really do much to another that is trying to develop nucs, and then negotiate and lift sanctions and increase trade and talk of normalization of relations with the one country that DOES have nucs, then there are going to be troubles. The message and lesson to be learned by regimes the world over is that if you have a nuc program nearing completion or completed, you're safe.

[Octavius Hite]

Pligganease wrote:

[Gopher]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Pligganease]

[stevemcgarrett]

Emperor Octavius

[Nowhere Man]

In Clinton's waning days as president, the GOP-controlled congress voted against him and didn't sign the comprehensive test-ban treaty.

This is a glaring inconsistency with talking points about non-proliferation.

Proliferation certainly isn't a good thing, but don't the "Axis of Evil" remarks serve to create more demand for nuclear weapons? Moreover, while striking Iran's nuclear facilities might look good in the short run to some, I'd argue that it raises the chances of a dirty bomb attack at a later date. In other words, if I were Iran, I wouldn't keep all of my nuclear materials in one or two locations when there is an imminent threat of attacks. Rather, I'd keep them spread out so they wouldn't all be lost.

As such, it's justified to be concerned, but I don't see an easy solution to the matter. Instead, everything falls back on MAD. Any attempt to wipe Israel off the map would also result in Iran being wiped off the map.

It's very interesting that there is all of this sabre-rattling in regard to Iran, but not much talk about striking NK. Why?

If you're going to call anyone a madman, I think KJI wins the prize. But is even he mad enough to nuke someone knowing that he will get a response in kind? I don't think so. Despite his other delusions, I think he's quite sane in this respect.

To sum up, characterizing Octavius and others as wanting the US to abandon its nukes is a strawman. At the same time, the US could clearly take measures to show its serious about non-proliferation, but it chooses not to. That doesn't mean I want proliferation, but herein lies an element of hypocrisy.

Lastly, were those "Axis of Evil" remarks a good idea?

[huffdaddy]

[Kuros]

Its forty posts back, but it bears repeating...


...the development and installation of newer nuclear warheads have nothing to do with Iran or North Korea, and everything to do with Russia and China.

The present arsenal we have is more than enough to annihilate North Korea and Iran and have plenty left over.

[Octavius Hite]

Huffdaddy, it doesn't matter what their "stated position" is, all that matters is what the right-wing nutters on this board (and in the White House) say their position is. Haven't you learned that? Only the things that US says are true. Everyone is just secretly hatching a plot to attack the Homeland.

[freethought]