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Is this public school offer legal, or at least workable?
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ptarmigan



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Is this public school offer legal, or at least workable? Reply with quote

I have an offer from a public school, but I don't have all my documents in hand. The semester began March 2, and the recruiter wants me to come out on a tourist visa, start teaching, and then do a visa run when I get the rest of my documents. Waiting for my docs and processing the visa could take a few weeks, or more, if I am not mistaken.

I gather this is not entirely kosher, and would be a bad idea with a hagwon, but would it be OK with a public school?

One advantage is it would get me in synch with the public school calendar.

But I wonder whether I would get the 12-month benefits, specifically the one month severance pay and the return airfare, if I start late?

Theoretically, the school could hire someone else sooner. But they seem to like me, either that or they can't find anyone else.

Any thoughts?
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should get the twelve month benefits. Your conract would just start and end mid-late March. I wouldn't teach before you get your visa though. Thats a bad aidea. Istarted my public school job 3 weeks before summer vacation began. Now that was sweet.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like they're desperate. If you decided to do it, up the salary by at least 200,000.

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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Sounds like they're desperate. If you decided to do it, up the salaray by at least 200,000.


You really don't have a clue about how the public school system operates, do you?
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Sounds like they're desperate. If you decided to do it, up the salaray by at least 200,000.


You really don't have a clue about how the public school system operates, do you?


Oh, that's right. Bad salary. Can't negotiate.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not legal to work before you get your visa.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure they're not gonna arrest ya at a public school job, go for it if it's really what you want. And, it wouldn't hurt trying to up the salary either, IMHO... Very Happy
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't the salary be upped, by the way? What are they going to pay you, OP? 2, 2.1, 2.2 million? Or close to that? That's pretty low.
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ptarmigan



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, is that me?

The salary is 2.

The contract specifies that it ends on the normal schedule at the end of Feb. So it leaves me wondering about those year end benefits.

One recruiter for another public school thinks he can start me at the level 2 rate, but I don't have anything definite.

It looks like there are still some public school jobs, eh?
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Sounds like they're desperate. If you decided to do it, up the salaray by at least 200,000.


You really don't have a clue about how the public school system operates, do you?


Just because Epik and Gepik won't change their salaries doesn't mean every school out there doesn't.

You don't really have a clue how this country operates, do you?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ptarmigan wrote:
OP, is that me?

The salary is 2.

The contract specifies that it ends on the normal schedule at the end of Feb. So it leaves me wondering about those year end benefits.

One recruiter for another public school thinks he can start me at the level 2 rate, but I don't have anything definite.

It looks like there are still some public school jobs, eh?


There are still LOTS of public school positions open (ours among them).
Don't be shy. Ask for what you can.
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lover.asian



Joined: 30 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


There are still LOTS of public school positions open (ours among them).
Don't be shy. Ask for what you can.


I think there will never be enough teachers to fill all of the positions available, primarily because of the attitudes of recruiters and school administrators.

They seem to be looking for desperate, young and inexperienced teachers who are willing to take anything offered.

I was looking to teach in a public primary or middle school in a rural area. I was looking for three things:

1) Being paid as a level 1 teacher (which I am) with a rural teaching allowance.

2) Having a contract which is consistent with The Korea Labor Standards Act (no penalty clauses).

3) Having a 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom apartment. I also wanted to see photos of the apartment before signing the contact.

None of these conditions are excessive or unreasonable in any way. I am fortunate that I have a good job in SE Asia and I am not desperate. I want to teach in Korea because I enjoy teaching Korean learners.

I couldn't find even one suitable position.

Until the attitudes of Korean recruiters and public school administrators change, there will always be a teacher shortage.


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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pak Yu Man wrote:
Kimchieluver wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Sounds like they're desperate. If you decided to do it, up the salaray by at least 200,000.


You really don't have a clue about how the public school system operates, do you?


Just because Epik and Gepik won't change their salaries doesn't mean every school out there doesn't.

You don't really have a clue how this country operates, do you?


I am not going to debate this as I don't have the time. Public schools offer based on qualifications. They don't low ball and negotiate. If you increase your credentials they may up the pay. There are plenty of other teachers to choose from within a specific pay category. Public schools are not like hagwons. They are not in it for a business. They have a price that they will pay for certain credentials, EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT WITH EPIK etc. They are not going to try and get a teacher on the cheap, they will put there best offer out there if they want that teacher. And that is usually set long before anybody starts calling prospective employees.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I retract the above statement because there are, of course, exceptions to every rule.
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ptarmigan



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Kimchieluver, I am inclined to agree with you. That was what I assumed before I asked.

However, there are two possible issues:

Is there some flexibility when considering quallifications beyond the teacher certification, TESOL credentials that might allow them to up the level for a beginner?

And the other posters do make an interesting point that if they are desperate, with school having started, that might make them inclined to negotiate.

However, it seems to me that being government entities, they might not be allowed to negotiate on salary. With civil service jobs in the US, that would be against the rules. Indeed, the public school jobs seem to have very consistent pay scales. It is their benefits, specifically vacation time, that seem to vary.

And I would assume that these public schools would all be able to fill their openings eventually. However, as they are having trouble, perhaps they might realize they need to increase their pay scale.
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