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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: MORE FUN WITH HILLARY & BARACK: WHO'S MORE BLACK? |
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Or, more precisely, who's more ethnic black?
Ah, yes, as predicted, Round Two of the 12 Round Fight for the Democrat nomination between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama has been boxed out.
This time it's over who can pander more to their black constituency. Or, to be more accurate, who can suck up to the old guard less educated and urbane wing of the remnant civil rights movement by belching out "We Shall Overcome" more vigorously.
But, alas, there's a twist. It's no longer enough to play the race card by walking the talk; one must now talk the talk, too.
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Clintons, Obama Pay Homage to Activists
SELMA, Ala., Mar. 5, 2007
By NEDRA PICKLER
(AP) Presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton crossed campaign paths for the first time Sunday as they paid homage to civil rights activists who they said helped give them the chance to break barriers to the White House. The two candidates and former President Clinton, making his first appearance with his wife since her campaign began, linked arms with activists who 42 years ago were attacked by police with billyclubs during a peaceful voting rights march. "Bloody Sunday" shocked the nation and helped bring attention to the racist voting practices that kept blacks from the polls.... Not to be outdone in the hunt for black votes, Hillary Clinton also spoke in Selma at a church three blocks away and brought a secret weapon: her husband. Three days before the march anniversary, her campaign announced that the former president who is so popular among blacks would accompany her for his induction into Selma's Voting Rights Hall of Fame.... "After all the hard work getting rid of literacy tests and poll taxes, we've got to stay awake because we've got a march to continue," Clinton said in a speech interrupted numerous times by applause and shouts of approval. "How can we rest while poverty and inequality continue to rise?".... In Selma, Clinton and Obama both appeared outside Brown Chapel for a pre-march rally, but came from opposite sides of the podium and did not interact. Despite the intense rivalry between their campaigns, the two praised each other....But Obama, who was three years old on Bloody Sunday, delivered a call to action that would be politically unfeasible for Clinton or any of his other white rivals. He said the current generation of blacks does not always honor the civil rights movement and needs to take responsibility for improving their lives by rejecting violence; cleaning up "40-ounce bottles" and other trash that litters urban neighborhoods; and voting instead of complaining that the government is not helping them.... |
What Ms. Pickler neglected to mention by way of providing readers with local color (no pun intended) was that both Hillary and Obama delivered quotes from famous dead civil rights leaders, trying to speak in a vernacular, in a generic, almost cartoonish variety of Southern black dialect.
Hilarious. Neither one is from the South, neither one could pull it off, but both wanted to "act black." Never mind that a majority of blacks don't speak that way and never mind that they wouldn't adopt the local dialect if this had been a white audience, or Hispanic audience for that matter.
What counts is rousing the masses. No liberal sees the insult of it all not to mention the insincerity. And if a conservative candidate did the same, they would be mocked, if not lambasted.
But I ask you: what conservative would try to assume such a voice? No, for this kind of tomfoolery, this elitist charade, you must turn to the liberals. One might not like the conservatives or what they advocate, but at least when they speak, they speak as themselves.
Stay tuned for Round 3 of the Hillary vs. Barack bout. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Barack can definitely pull the black vote, especially in urban areas. Why, might you ask? Simply because he is (half) black. Unfortunately, he'll get only the black vote at the primaries and John Edwards will get all the others. Edwards is the only candidate that will win. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Barack can definitely pull the black vote, especially in urban areas. Why, might you ask? Simply because he is (half) black. Unfortunately, he'll get only the black vote at the primaries and John Edwards will get all the others. Edwards is the only candidate that will win. |
Barack got plenty of white votes in Illinois. And yes, I know who he ran against. He would have trounced Ryan just as badly. Compared to 20 years ago, either the black-white issue has subsided substantially, or the Barack is not viewed as "black" by the majority of white voters. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| I'll tell you what; that's boy's uppity. |
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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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When you go nation wide, with a thinly spread race like the Democratic primary is going to be, I honestly don't think he'll get that many votes. It doesn't mean I don't like him. It's just my opinion.
Who knows... By then, Hillary might come up with information that shows Barack trained in Afghanistan...  |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Re: MORE FUN WITH HILLARY & BARACK: WHO'S MORE BLACK? |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Hilarious. Neither one is from the South, neither one could pull it off, but both wanted to "act black." Never mind that a majority of blacks don't speak that way and never mind that they wouldn't adopt the local dialect if this had been a white audience, or Hispanic audience for that matter. |
Actually, what's hilarious is white bread conservative Americans trying to decide what's best for black Americans.
FWIW, Obama's speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-XG_VJZDw.
The reaction:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/283386,CST-NWS-mitch05.article
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| Obama, who has been dogged by criticism that he does not share the African-American experience, laid claim to his black roots with bold language and a global perspective of the civil rights struggle. |
But hey, your Fox inspired analysis was good for a laugh. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| When you go nation wide, with a thinly spread race like the Democratic primary is going to be, I honestly don't think he'll get that many votes. It doesn't mean I don't like him. It's just my opinion. |
Personally, I don't think either Obama or Hillary are ideal Democratic candidates (as much as I like Obama). The best chance of winning lies with a moderate, white male, Southern governor. Hitting only 1 of 5 is a tough hill to climb. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Personally, I don't think either Obama or Hillary are ideal Democratic candidates (as much as I like Obama). The best chance of winning lies with a moderate, white male, Southern governor. Hitting only 1 of 5 is a tough hill to climb. |
I couldn't agree more. I just hope that the Democrats see things the same way so we don't wind up with Jeb in the White House.  |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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HuffandPuffdaddy:
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| or the Barack is not viewed as "black" by the majority of white voters. |
Is "the Barack" a mixed race phenomenon or a person? Anyway, Barack hasn't been viewed as black enough by a lot of blacks, one of the main reasons he's had to turn around that perception in recent weeks. Guess you missed the other side of the coin, buddy.
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| Actually, what's hilarious is white bread conservative Americans trying to decide what's best for black Americans. |
I don't eat white bread; always preferred wheat. I had a black girlfriend once but the juice of that dark berry wasn't any sweeter and I did "go back." No, wait, that's not true. I went yellow, as in yellow fever. Never been the same since.
NEWS FLASH: Not all blacks are liberal and increasingly they're moving moderate to conservative. If blacks can say what they feel is best for America, and hence whites too, I can do likewise. Besides, CocoaPuffDaddy, I taught high school English and lived in a low-income black community for 14 years. I also grew up in desegregated military housing in the 1960s. Sorry to shatter your stereotype. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Plig:
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| Barack can definitely pull the black vote, especially in urban areas. Why, might you ask? Simply because he is (half) black. Unfortunately, he'll get only the black vote at the primaries and John Edwards will get all the others. Edwards is the only candidate that will win. |
Although I haven't given my vote to any candidate yet, I am inclined to agree with you that Edwards might very well come out of this buffoon context between Hillary and Barack looking the most sensible, if not smelling like roses.
Geez, and I forgot to mention that Dennis KOOKcinovich tried to sing "Sixteen Tons" a cappella at a forum with Jesse Ambulance Chaser Jackson. Liberals of this ilk have no dignity. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| steviepeevie wrote: |
HuffandPuffdaddy:
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| or the Barack is not viewed as "black" by the majority of white voters. |
Is "the Barack" a mixed race phenomenon or a person? Anyway, Barack hasn't been viewed as black enough by a lot of blacks, one of the main reasons he's had to turn around that perception in recent weeks. Guess you missed the other side of the coin, buddy. |
 Did you read the quote I posted above?
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| If blacks can say what they feel is best for America, and hence whites too, I can do likewise. |
But that's not what you were doing. You were trying to define Obama's place in the black community. Nowhere did you even attempt to say what is best for America. You're OP centered around one topic. Namely this:
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| who's more ethnic black? |
That's called an ad hominem, in case you were wondering.
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| Besides, CocoaPuffDaddy, I taught high school English and lived in a low-income black community for 14 years. I also grew up in desegregated military housing in the 1960s. Sorry to shatter your stereotype. |
Sorry, but it just doesn't get much whiter than Hawaii 5-0. And FWIW, I used to live in Obama's congressional district.  |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: MORE FUN WITH HILLARY & BARACK: WHO'S MORE BLACK? |
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No liberal sees the insult of it all not to mention the insincerity. And if a conservative candidate did the same, they would be mocked, if not lambasted.
But I ask you: what conservative would try to assume such a voice? No, for this kind of tomfoolery, this elitist charade, you must turn to the liberals. One might not like the conservatives or what they advocate, but at least when they speak, they speak as themselves. |
Since you're begging the question, let me give it a go too.... Maybe the reason you might never see conservatives speak like that is because they think it is beneath them to sound black. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Bill Clinton was the "first black president". Therefore, I suppose it depends on whether black voters view Bill as having married a "sistah" - a la Denzel and Will - or gone Ward Connerly and married an uppity white beeyotch.
Anyone talking about a Clinton-Baracka ticket yet? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone talking about a Clinton-Baracka ticket yet? |
Will never happen. You do realize they are actually auditioning for the vice-president ticket, don't you?
Gore-Obama
Gore-Edwards
or... funny enough...
Gore-Clinton! LOL |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| I'll tell you what; that's boy's uppity. |
Weren't you supposed to have gone into self-imposed exile? |
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