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Cohiba

Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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On February 27, 2007, Incheon declared itself an "English City," and inaugurated the "Incheon Free English Zone" program. The goal of the program is to make Incheon as much an English speaking city as Hong Kong and Singapore are. This is for the ultimate purpose of establishing Incheon as a commercial and business hub of northeast Asia. The official slogan of the program is "Smile with English."
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I think the mayor of Incheon, or any other Korean city, is dreaming if
they think this will ever happen in the foreseeable future. Why:
1/ English is not an official language.
Therefore it will NEVER be like HK or Singapore. Contracts in Korea
can ONLY be in Korean to be legal. This is a BIG problem for business.
2/ The "key money" system.
People need to be able to come and go easily without being ensnared
in lengthy and dangerous contracts.
3/ Cellphones
Only Koreans or F-type visa holders can get a post-pay cellphone.
4/ Supplementary health insurance
Although it is easy to get basic health insurance in Korea. Most
Koreans have supplementary health insurance. This is impossible
to get without an F-type visa
5/ Life Insurance
Also, need an F-type visa
6/ Education
As far as I know, there are no international schools in most Korean
cities. Seoul is the exception with the 8th US Army garrison at Yeong-San.
There are probably exceptions to the above, but I suspect there are
many more factors against. Basically foreigners are 2nd class citizens
in Korea. |
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Kim Jong Jordan

Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Location: The Internet
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| i was at the ceremony celebrating the opening of the IFEZ. It was like the superbowl halftime show and was done completely in Korean except for the mayor who gave his speech in English, which was nice. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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Good point about the official language and business contracts. Local courts need to recognize English as a legal language of business contracts. But that'd require a level of fluency among the Korean judiciary one cannot yet assume.
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foreigners are 2nd class citizens
in Korea. |
Foreigners aren't citizens in Korea as the vast majority 99% are ethnic Koreans, ethnic Koreans without daily, weekly or even monthly need to communicate in English, and hence no context for practice and language development outside of the insular world of Korean culture. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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| Cohiba wrote: |
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On February 27, 2007, Incheon declared itself an "English City," and inaugurated the "Incheon Free English Zone" program. The goal of the program is to make Incheon as much an English speaking city as Hong Kong and Singapore are. This is for the ultimate purpose of establishing Incheon as a commercial and business hub of northeast Asia. The official slogan of the program is "Smile with English."
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I think the mayor of Incheon, or any other Korean city, is dreaming if
they think this will ever happen in the foreseeable future. Why:
1/ English is not an official language.
Therefore it will NEVER be like HK or Singapore. Contracts in Korea
can ONLY be in Korean to be legal. This is a BIG problem for business.
2/ The "key money" system.
People need to be able to come and go easily without being ensnared
in lengthy and dangerous contracts.
3/ Cellphones
Only Koreans or F-type visa holders can get a post-pay cellphone.
4/ Supplementary health insurance
Although it is easy to get basic health insurance in Korea. Most
Koreans have supplementary health insurance. This is impossible
to get without an F-type visa
5/ Life Insurance
Also, need an F-type visa
6/ Education
As far as I know, there are no international schools in most Korean
cities. Seoul is the exception with the 8th US Army garrison at Yeong-San.
There are probably exceptions to the above, but I suspect there are
many more factors against. Basically foreigners are 2nd class citizens
in Korea. |
Some of the above are valid comments. But not all.
1. Contracts can be made in English but in the evnt of legal action or disputes, documents have to be translated for the court (bit not an arbitrator).
2. This may or may not be a valid point. Many companies buy their premises and are as locked in with that as they are with key money. Many see key money as a plus point. Key money contracts are usually for 2 years and most companies take a 2-year vew as a minimu.
3. Mobile 'phones. This is not so. I have had one in my name since Feb 99 and in fact since Oct 06 have a second one. No guarantors, just automatic payment from my card.
4. I know nowt about supplementary health insurance, you may be right. But since this is available internationally anyway, I see this as a minor problem.
5. Life insurance. No idea, perhaps you are right. But again, most expats arrange this in their home country on a long-term basis.
6. In Seoul there are plenty of foreign schools, right up to 18. These include British, French and probably others.
That siad, I do agree that to bring Incheon up to the international level of Hong Kong et al will be an uphill struggle. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
Good point about the official language and business contracts. Local courts need to recognize English as a legal language of business contracts. But that'd require a level of fluency among the Korean judiciary one cannot yet assume.
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English does not need to be an "offical" language, merely a business language.
After all, in neither UK nor US is English the official language. One can make contracts in whatever language one chooses, but if disputes arise, the documents have to be translated for the court. Just as in Korea.
On the general use of English, in restaurants, workplaces etc, I agree 100%. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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| After all, in neither UK nor US is English the official language. |
I have been led to believe otherwise. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Kim Jong Jordan wrote: |
| i was at the ceremony celebrating the opening of the IFEZ. It was like the superbowl halftime show and was done completely in Korean except for the mayor who gave his speech in English, which was nice. |
I also sat through the ceremony with one of my Korean coteachers, a few of the students and one parent.
My feeling is they are being unrealistic in their approach to teaching children English. For the most part, English is taught in Korea to do well on tests not to improve people's speaking ability. I told my coteacher the goal of making Incheon an English speaking city will probably not happen.
To a certain extent I agree with Cohiba that you are much better off with an F series visa. I married my wife a little over a year ago and have found it much easier to find a job with an F-2 visa. It's also a better deal for the school as well, as they don't have to dink around with immigration at all.
As much as Korea has become an adopted country for me(since my wife's family is here), I think they do need to have critical feedback in terms of their English education system. With the amount of money they dump into English education, they are not getting their money's worth. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Why Korea Will NEVER be an Asian Business Hub |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
| After all, in neither UK nor US is English the official language. |
I have been led to believe otherwise. |
There are no official languages in the US for sure. Of course English might as well be the official language, but that's a different point. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, there are a ton of reasons why Incheon won't be the hub of Asia.
1) North Korea - A lot of foreigners feel uneasy about being in South Korea. If Kim Jong il re-starts his nuclear program, international business conferences will be a tempting target.
2) Corruption - South Korea's track record is spotty at best.
3) The English abilities of most Koreans. In this country, you can't even call 119 and get English service. |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly is a "Business Hub" anyway?
Please give examples and criteria for what it is.
Is Japan a Business Hub? Or is it just the 2nd largest economy in the world because they protect their industries?
Are you talking about a model economy like Hong Kong and Singapore?
Germany, are they a business Hub?
Is the US a business Hub?
I don't think Koreans even know what a Business Hub is, they just like using the word "hub". Same as using the adjective "#1", "best", "global".
In a technical sense, Korea does not want to be a Singapore or Hong Kong, nor does it want to be like the US. It wants to be like Japan.
Japan used to be the leader in shipbuilding --> Korea followed
Japan has strong semiconductor and electronics --> Korea followed
Japan is strong in Automobiles --> Korea is following
So, my guess is, the word "Hub" is just thrown around because it sounds nice but Korea really just wants to be Japan. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course "hub" is just some political konglish catchphrase. It amuses me that so many foreigners take these politicians seriously and then become outraged that the rest of Korea doesn't really care about learning English (beyond getting a job) or making Korea hospitable to foreigners. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Some useful points there Cohiba.
the overriding factor i think is cultural. korea is just not a foreign friendly culture. Their ways of doing things are unnattractive, confusing and even insulting to most foreigners.
If korea wants to welcome the world, first they have to learn how the rest of the world does things. |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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One thing they really need is an addressing system.
Street names and numbers to identify a location. Not this -dong, -ri, -gun, -eup, landmark based system.
But i think they will never change it because it gives Koreans "home field" advantage.
There are no advantages to opening up your economy to any foreign economy, then you'd have colonialism again.
International Politics and relations is the closest thing to Anarchy in the world, so a country can do whatever it must to catch up technologically.
the US just wants to own everything and could if it weren't for some defensive protectionist measures by these smaller countries.
Countries will always put up business barriers, whether it be because of language, or customs, or whatknot.. All foreign products must undergo rigorous testing at our facility in the sticks before it's allowed to be sold.
These policies are implemented all over the world when the IMF goes around and breaks down trade barriers. |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| But the irony of it all is, if a country is foreigner friendly, then it doesn't need foreigners. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffkim1972 wrote: |
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Countries will always put up business barriers, whether it be because of language, or customs, or whatknot.. All foreign products must undergo rigorous testing at our facility in the sticks before it's allowed to be sold.
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