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| Are all Western or American criminals the same in Asia ill-regard of deeper social identities? |
| Yes, an American is an American and that's about all a headline should state. |
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| No, a perpetrator should be identified to enough degree so that not ALL groups are dragged down with him. |
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| #2 answer, plus I'm tired of seeing alot of distorted and misleading information generated about my respective country and the people I grew up around. |
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dogbert
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Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise: Skin pigmentation = violent human.
Skin pigmentation is there to protect us from UV rays. That's all it does. If you had said, "Poor and desperate for money = Violent human" Then you'd have a leg to stand on. And I'd even agree with you.
What you're doing right now is similar to saying that the runny nose is the reason for the cold. That's why everyone thinks you're a bigot.
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Is he saying that the runny nose causes the cold or is he saying that if you have a runny nose, odds are you have a cold? If it's the second, would you say he is not a bigot?
Sometimes you have to think things through if you make a longer post than usual. |
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William Beckerson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Coffeecup wrote: |
| A particularly childish trashy user like William Peckerson might try and act real clever and say "aha you call yourself Ghost you are a white separatist!" |
AHAHAHAHAHAA~
He called me "Peckerson".
Keep up the good work, Jesus Coffeecup. You're a beautiful martyr in your own way. |
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William Beckerson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| William Beckerson wrote: |
Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise: Skin pigmentation = violent human.
Skin pigmentation is there to protect us from UV rays. That's all it does. If you had said, "Poor and desperate for money = Violent human" Then you'd have a leg to stand on. And I'd even agree with you.
What you're doing right now is similar to saying that the runny nose is the reason for the cold. That's why everyone thinks you're a bigot.
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Is he saying that the runny nose causes the cold or is he saying that if you have a runny nose, odds are you have a cold? If it's the second, would you say he is not a bigot?
Sometimes you have to think things through if you make a longer post than usual. |
The theory presented: Runny nose (pigment) = cold (violent human being).
A cute little nit-picker such as yourself knows that this is a non-starter. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| William Beckerson wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| William Beckerson wrote: |
Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise: Skin pigmentation = violent human.
Skin pigmentation is there to protect us from UV rays. That's all it does. If you had said, "Poor and desperate for money = Violent human" Then you'd have a leg to stand on. And I'd even agree with you.
What you're doing right now is similar to saying that the runny nose is the reason for the cold. That's why everyone thinks you're a bigot.
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Is he saying that the runny nose causes the cold or is he saying that if you have a runny nose, odds are you have a cold? If it's the second, would you say he is not a bigot?
Sometimes you have to think things through if you make a longer post than usual. |
The theory presented: Runny nose (pigment) = cold (violent human being).
A cute little nit-picker such as yourself knows that this is a non-starter. |
Accuracy's a bitch, ain't it?
Free of charge, here's a book recommendation for you. There are no pictures in it, but it's surprisingly readable nonetheless.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0911/p15s01-bogn.html |
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Ghostinthemachine
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| this leads me to believe that crime is related to economic deprivation rather than being a question of race. |
This is the third time I've read a variation of this assertion on this page.
Can anyone tell me how economic deprivation causes rape? Thanks. |
Are you
a) suggesting that rape is more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups.
b) suggesting some races are inherently more prone to rape than others.
c) being deliberately obtuse.
d) all of the above.
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:53 am Post subject: |
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dogbert wrote
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| this leads me to believe that crime is related to economic deprivation rather than being a question of race. |
This is the third time I've read a variation of this assertion on this page.
Can anyone tell me how economic deprivation causes rape? Thanks. |
Are you
a) suggesting that rape is more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups.
b) suggesting some races are inherently more prone to rape than others.
c) being deliberately obtuse.
d) all of the above.
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No, I'm saying that when people claim that poverty causes violent crime, I disagree with that. I think rape is a good example of how there is no correlation.
In that instance, it would support my belief if it turns out that rape is more prevalent in higher socio-economic groups. |
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William Beckerson
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Accuracy's a *beep*, ain't it? |
Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to show up and be irrelivent.
Next time I need someone with your qualifications, I'll be sure ask for you specifically. |
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Ghostinthemachine
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| No, I'm saying that when people claim that poverty causes violent crime, I disagree with that. I think rape is a good example of how there is no correlation. |
Some rules can be absolute and some rules can be general. When you find an exception to a general rule it doesn't mean that that rule is no longer valid.
I'm curious though. How do you account for a higher incidence of crime in the lower socio-economic groups in a racially homogenous society? |
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Ghostinthemachine
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Coffeecup as far as I'm aware (please correct me if I'm wrong) there isn't any scientific evidence that one particular race is more genetically prone to criminality than another. There is evidence that some people are more genetically prone to criminality than others but this is only in rare cases where a male/female has an extra 'y' chromosome (xyy for males and xxy for females)....... but this condition is not race related.
In the absense of such evidence and given that there are other factors that could explain higher criminality, it is unreasonable and unfair to conclude that race/genetics are the determining factors. The fact that you do draw such a conclusion leaves you open to the charge of prejudice (specifically racism).
If you are prejudiced then it is pointless to discuss this issue with you as the very nature of prejudice is that you will already have made up your mind before looking at the facts.
So are you prejudiced or are you open to changing your mind if a convincing argument against your viewpoint can be made?
Even if you don't want to answer the question for me it may be worth your while answering it for yourself. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| By the way ghost you'd better be real careful especially with your white colored Avatar. A particularly childish trashy user like William Peckerson might try and act real clever and say "aha you call yourself Ghost you are a white separatist! |
This guy is truly disturbing yet I can't help but be amused. |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| This guy is truly disturbing yet I can't help but be amused. |
That's exactly how I feel about your avatar, Zed!  |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Accuracy's a *beep*, ain't it? |
Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to show up and be irrelivent.
Next time I need someone with your qualifications, I'll be sure ask for you specifically. |
Don't drink and post, pal. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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dogbert wrote
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| No, I'm saying that when people claim that poverty causes violent crime, I disagree with that. I think rape is a good example of how there is no correlation. |
Some rules can be absolute and some rules can be general. When you find an exception to a general rule it doesn't mean that that rule is no longer valid.
I'm curious though. How do you account for a higher incidence of crime in the lower socio-economic groups in a racially homogenous society? |
I don't think I could answer that without at least knowing (a) which racially homogenous society; (b) the definition of lower and higher socio-economic groups;and (c) how you define "crime" (violent crimes only? fraud and other "white-collar" crimes? drug-related crimes?, and so on).
I will say that I disagree that poverty is the primary cause of violent crime. |
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William Beckerson
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Don't drink and post, pal. |
As much as I'd love to continue this pissing match with you, it's wasting everyone's time. Please feel free to PM me with any and all complaints. I'll be sure to give them all the consideration they deserve. |
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