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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Cool! I like that too! |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| That's one deep puddle. |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Hello non-Christians! |
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| i'm genuinely interested if you believe in some type of after-life. if so, could you please elaborate. a heaven/hell, another dimension, part of a cosmic soup type dimension? if not, is it that when you die, that's it? is there an after-life for animals as well? what do you think? |
Once you know something - you don't know something. You can never find the end. I don't know why I exist. What's to believe? |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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It is not all that unusual for children to remember things from past lives. |
Then why is it less than toothpaste? Where is this?
What's amazing to me is that I can take a seed from an apple and then grow another apple tree. Look at that! That's not speculation! We can do that! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
I like Douglas Adams analogy of the sentient puddle, 'the puddle is pleased with itself and certain that the hole in the ground it occupies must have been designed specifically for it since it fits so well in it. The puddle looks up to the sun above and worships its divine benefactor. The fate of the puddle is to exist under the sun until it has entirely evaporated.'
So that's what happens to puddles. |
Perfect. |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| i would say that God did give people a very clear picture of Hell and how to avoid it through Jesus and his Word. |
No, "Nicky Luciano" got it right; "If I was God, I wouldn't let that happen to my boy"
You're preaching a specific idea. You and me stranded on an island -and I kill you - that's the end of Christianity on the island. Religion is not a special belief, it's just human nature. Stop fooling yourself into thinking there is a specific way to pray or honor God. |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
In regards to the simple fact that the universe exists pointing to the existence of god. Is it not easier to just assume that the universe has always existed than to assume that some dude has just always existed and created it on a whim. I mean how did he create it? Was he working in a lab somewhere? Did he have these magical powers that allowed him to put into motion anything he could concieve?
I mean, if you can make the leap of faith that god has just always existed and that he created everything how could you possibly argue against the possibility that the universe itself has just always existed and we came about without the hand of god? |
People think God is the universe - they're inseparable, one in the same. God = existence. The crazy thing is that some people believe there are words written by God..... That there is an ultimate truth that can be put into words. |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
I like Douglas Adams analogy of the sentient puddle, 'the puddle is pleased with itself and certain that the hole in the ground it occupies must have been designed specifically for it since it fits so well in it. The puddle looks up to the sun above and worships its divine benefactor. The fate of the puddle is to exist under the sun until it has entirely evaporated.'
So that's what happens to puddles. |
That's good. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| No, God's not that omnipotent. He needs a human to write down his words, and there can be no witnesses. |
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ptarmigan
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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You are not asking the right question. To get the right answer you have to ask the right question.
Everyone knows there is an afterlife, or as Douoglas Adams put it, an apres vie,. The question is who you want to spend it with. You see there are many different afterlifes. There is an afterlife for South Koreans, an afterlife for Japanese, who don't mix with the Koreans, an afterllife for Americans from the North, an afterlife for Southerners, an afterlife for New Yorkers, an afterlife for Canadians who speak English, an afterlife for Canadians who speak French, and maybe even an afterlife for Iraqis.
And there is an afterlife within the afterlife for American Catholics, Roman Catholics, Irish Catholics, Brazilian Catholics, Anglicans, Canadian Catholics, Catholic Catholics, Lapsed Catholics, Southern Baptists, Holy Rollers, Zen Buddhists, Tibetan Buddhists, Shiite Islamists, Kurdish Islamists, Communists, and even Atheists.
For the rest, there is the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
Yes, you get to bring your pets. But that could be a problem with dogs in the Korean sector of heaven.
And after the pause that refreshes, there is another life, of course. That is not the question. The question is where you want to live it. Do you want to come back as a Korean? As a Kiwi? As a Canuck?
Me, I want to come back as an Icelander, without the ice, please.
The way things are going, subdivisions may be available in McMurdo Bay by then, so there are lots of options. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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All I know is that I'm tired of Koreans on the subway, KTX etc. always demanding to know if I'm Christian. Really, it's none of their nosey business. Why is it that they don't believe me when I tell them that I'm not a Christian? Just because I'm white? Maybe I'm educating these people by telling them that I'm not a Christian. Not all white people are Christian anymore than Asians are Buddists.
Next time, a Korean asks me, "are you Christian" I'm going to respond back with, "are you Buddist?" |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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The answer, I believe is that by moving our consciousnes to more abstract levels, we are able to participate in this larger consciousness. That seems to be the fundamental teaching of the major religions. It is also suggested in a number of works of fiction. Perhaps I should add that you don't do this through drugs, but through learning to quiet and control the mind, and ultimately, by letting go of that control and sense of self. It is not about belief or reading what others say, but about personal experience. |
Why not, drugs? Your body is a walking talking pharmacy with electrical and chemical processes dictating pretty much everything you do. Tell me what the difference is? Forget for a moment, all the legal and moral preconceptions you have.
All you are doing when you attempt to quiet and control the mind is allowing the body's own chemical and electrical processes trick the mind into believing it is part of a larger consciousness. It's wonderful if you can do this, but it's no more than spiritual smoke and mirrors, just like anything organized religious believers feel when they believe they are communing with their version of god. |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| There is evidence that Jesus existed. The ancient Jewish historian Josephus (sp?)records that Jesus did indeed live. I think that's about all he recorded on Jesus. The disciples witnessed first hand the miracles...healings, calming the water, raising Lazurus from the dead, etc. The events were recorded by 2 (Matthew/John)disciples who saw with their own eyes. I understand none of these can support the idea of the intelligent design. Look into the sky at night. There is something pulling us away, evermore hinting that we are walking wonderlands full ofmind, soul, eternity, space, time truth, love and God. |
The evidence is in that Pythagoras existed. However, the claims made by his followers about his miraculous birth and the miracles he performed is another matter. That we have evidence someone existed does not lend credence to their supernatural claims made by the person's followers. Mohammed's existence is a historical fact. But what of it?
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| Everything works too perfectly to have happened by chance. |
Could you give an example? No one tries to explain everything by chance alone. There are things called scientific laws. When I drop a ball, it does not land in a place by chance. It follows some basic laws of science. Chance alone does not explain, say, the products of evolution. There are mechanism that are obeyed, for example natural selection. |
Mindmetoo,
God is genius. God is pure wonder without beginning and longing without end. God is the separation of heaven and earth. What I'm saying is that our spiritual place cannot be characterized by mass, energy, velocity, quantum numbers and things like that, and as we move away from earth into space and go beyound the farthest quasar these things dissipate into purer and rarer substances that cannot be explained scientifically. At this stage I'd say Space is spirit, with stars, nabulae, galaxies. Heaven, our God's home, pure heaven is beyond all that. God is that which unites, ties together, binds, make things one again to creat the universe and beyond. It is Love. God's love is the best evidence that you are looking for. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Mindmetoo,
God is genius. God is pure wonder without beginning and longing without end. God is the separation of heaven and earth. What I'm saying is that our spiritual place cannot be characterized by mass, energy, velocity, quantum numbers and things like that, and as we move away from earth into space and go beyound the farthest quasar these things dissipate into purer and rarer substances that cannot be explained scientifically. At this stage I'd say Space is spirit, with stars, nabulae, galaxies. Heaven, our God's home, pure heaven is beyond all that. God is that which unites, ties together, binds, make things one again to creat the universe and beyond. It is Love. God's love is the best evidence that you are looking for. |
How do you know any of this is true? Where are you getting it from?
Or do you just have a feeling that feels right?
God is love? You appear to be playing semantics. Simply saying God is love is meaningless. My shoes are fear is all the evidence you need for my shoes.
There are things that we know through science things that change as more information comes in. Click on my sig and all will be revealed!  |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes, science is interesting. I majored in science - physics & biochemistry.
Anyways the words of the strong-souled are also beyound dispute.
"How do you know any of this is true? Where are you getting it from? "
That's how I know. "Strong soul" And where Im getting it from. |
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