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mithridates · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:02 am Post subject:

Well, I was having issue with this:

Octavius Hite · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 am Post subject:

I have no problem with Alberta, I lived in Edmonton during the 88 Games in Calgary.

My problem is that the only thing worse than the whiney east coast "they took all my fish" is the Albertan "they always screw everything up, only we are smart enough to figure it out". The attitude makes them more ridiculous than the French.

mithridates · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:26 am Post subject:

riverboy · Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon

I worked in A;berta for four winters and two summers doing oilfield related work. I have to say that Ralphg Klien has a lot of balls and it paid off. Alberta is booming because of the oilsands, yes. But the cutbacks Klien made, allowed for better business investment, balanced the budget and made it possible for Alberta to boom far beyond what it would have had he not.

And Octavius, well you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the fisheries. It's nice to sit in front of your computer and talk about the whining fishermen who only work for six weeks a year and then go on pogey, but it's nothing like that. Most fishermen work several different seasons from cod, capelen, mackeral, herring, lobster ect. They then spend the off season mending thier nets fixing thier boats and getting ready for the next season.

As far as work goes, it doesn't get much more difficult than standing on the back of a fishing boat in high seas and freezing cold weather. Anyone who ever fished commercially would respect how difficult it is. As would anyone who worked the oilfields. I have great difficulty listening to someone who most likely never had a blister on thier hands commenting about peple who risk thier lives and have thier backs wear out by the time they are forty, and calling them whiners of all things.

As far as the collapse of the fishery, yes the fishermen indeed did have something to do with the collapse of the cod stocks, but it was only a minor role. The federal government was most responsible by, first of all, the huge fish factories(otter trawlers), destroyed the habitat of the cod, secondly and most importantly, the huge fish companies had a policy of posting the prices of codfish after the fishemen brought in thier catch. This meant that at times, it was too cheap to sell and the fishermen were forced to dump thier cod.

Had the price been stated before the boats left thier docks, they would have had theoption of whether or not to go out that day. The federal government allowed this and could have set up a policy fixing the daily price which the fishermen would have gladly welcomed. I don't know of any fisherman who does not accept responsibility in the collapse, but they know and knew at the time, the problem, they just had to compete with multi national fish companies.

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freethought · Joined: 13 Mar 2005

Out of curiosity, If octavius is a troll, and a stupid one, what does that make BJ?

Moreover, he's been on this forum more than a year longer than you, and you've racked up a full one and a half times the number of posts he has. So I would pose the same question to you, if he's a troll, what does that make you?

riverboy · Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon

I'm not saying he is a troll. I'm simply saying that because he spent a year or two here and there, it does not make him an authority on some of the things he is claiming. I am equally critical of BJWD's views on Easterners. It was the Easterners that sent trainlods of fish to the starving Westerners during the thirties dustbowl and Easterners who sent trainloads of hay to feed starving western cattle in the late 90's. And it was Maritimers who financed that railroad before that. Call us whiners, we were swindled and have not yet recovered.

BJWD is right when it comes to present day Alberta, but peole are quick to dismiss the past when things are going good. It is suprising to note that a recent survey reported Albertans amongst the least happy Canadians and New Brunswicker's the most happy. Maybe our whining is just a way to vent.

Octavius Hite · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

Wrench, get back on your meds, please for everyone's sake.

I have somewhat of a unique place, I have lived in Alberta for 4 years from 86-90 and I lived on he east coast for 6 years from 93-99 and my parents were born and raised there.

Also, despite assurances from all the hardworking bluecollar oil workers who seem to post on Dave's ESL Cafe, I also have earned my spurs in the labour field. I started working summer/winter/spring vacations in constructon throughtout my schooling, for 7 years in fact. At the end I knew I needed to get my ass to university so that I didn't have to freeze outside in february.

And you can blame the DFO all you want but when communities don't want cuts in their quotas and whole towns depend on one fish plant who get a situation where the government is pretty powerless to do anything.

Again I say this: If the polar ice caps melted tomorrow due to global warming, would the government be able to shut down the oil sands without a mutiiny? Of course not, thats why this arguement about DFO is stupid, the people wanted to fish until there was nothing left and then blamed DFO when it was all gone.

I love Canada but we (like Korea) are absoultly unable to take personal responsibility for any screwups. Its always the Liberals or COnservatives or society or Americans.