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Life as a Thai sex worker
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A.) I wonder if Dave's wife and/or children read this type of stuff on here. I hope not.

B.) I've spent enough time in Thailand and know enough Thais, expats and long-term residents to call the place my "home away from home." That being said, there are just a few points I'd like to make here:
1.) Thai people who are involved in the sex tourism industry in Thailand are considered to be of the lowest class there is in Thailand regardless of how much money they make. I see the dirty looks they get everywhere they go. So if you decide to pick up one of those bar girls and go out with her, take a real close look at the people around you and you can see for yourself. You say most people don't know. Think again..... "Thai people know."
2.) "One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble. Can't be too careful with your company. I feel the devil walking next to me." There's a reason why this song was made. I could go into graffic details here but I don't want anyone to have nightmares. Let me just say that if you get yourself wrapped up with the wrong company in Thailand, there's a real good chance that you could end up penniless, drugged and even dead or worse. The police will not touch your case because it's high risk for them to get involved. Some of them regularly take bribes for all crime related matters. It's no secret that you can buy anything you want in Thailand (for a price).
3.) It's a myth that "go go girls" are "rich." It's the mamasans who are the rich old broads. It goes like this:
a.) Mamasan has 6-10 girls working for her or more if she's really good.
b.) Mamasan collects 500 baht as a bar fine from every Farang who decides to pay that price for the flesh he sees on the stage.
c.) Mamasan collects the girl from off the stage and disappears to the back of the club. Then she calls for the Farang to come with her so they can negotiate the price. They also make him drop his pants to visually inspect whether or not he has any noticable STDs. The deal is made, he pays for his tab and off they go to his hotel room.
d.) Mamasan tells the girl she needs to get as much money as possible from him and high tail her ass back to pick up another Farang or two.
e.) Mamasan reminds her girl about the commission they agreed upon and expects it as soon as she returns back to the club.
f.) Prostitute makes her way with the farang back to the hotel and does her dirty deed for about a half hour to an hour and then demands her 2,000 baht give or take. OR somewhere in between she gets the idea that it would be really cool to mix in some sweet intoxication with his Ovaltine. He wakes up the next day with a bad headache and his money, credit cards etc. are all gone. He doesn't remember what happened.
g.) Prostitute makes her way back to the club with money in hand for her dear mamasan who pimps her out to the next farang and the next that night.

NOW, do the math for the mamasan. On a good night, a mamasan could easily clear 10,000 baht or more. That's not bad!
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying that prostitution supports the economy misses the point that if the money was not spent on hookers, it would be spent on something else.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
Heck doesnt thailand have one of the worlds highest aids/STD infection rate? wouldnt sleeping with a thai hooker be a huge risk?



1 million Thais carry AID/HIV, one of the highest rate in the world, it's huge risk to sleep with these bar girls, but everybody say Thai is a beautiful country, Thais are friendly..blah blah blah, somehow nobody seem to say much about the high possibility of a girl you are sleeping carry AID and ready to inject that in your body system, HAHAHAHA
Have a nice holiday in Thailand with these bar girls !!!!
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thailand is a beautiful country. Yes.

The "Thai Smile" may be warm and friendly, but dont confuse it with genuine. They want something from you: your money, mullah, dineros, greenbacks. Thats all farangs are good for to them. if you are careful, it can be a fun place.
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju:

I agree with you again. Thais are known for their smiles and patience but many are liars in business. My wife and I were tricked by two different hotel staff over various concerns involving money and two different street merchants. The lying was brazen and greed the motivating factor. It didn't square well with us, and she's Asian herself.

When it comes to doing business, I don't trust Asians at all. And my complaint goes well beyond the issue of bartering or not. Been there, seen that, and done that too many times to be just dismissed as anecdotal or bigoted.

But it galls me when Thais are held on a pedestal in this regard as with lauding Koreans for being polite. I want to immediately retort: it depends on the situation. I cannot count the number of times, for example, that Koreans have hung up the phone without saying goodbye or brushed up against me in UNcrowded situatons without saying excuse me. To some extent, of course, this is culturally relative and the second example can be explained by proxemics.
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
jinju:

I agree with you again. Thais are known for their smiles and patience but many are liars in business. My wife and I were tricked by two different hotel staff over various concerns involving money and two different street merchants. The lying was brazen and greed the motivating factor. It didn't square well with us, and she's Asian herself.

When it comes to doing business, I don't trust Asians at all. And my complaint goes well beyond the issue of bartering or not. Been there, seen that, and done that too many times to be just dismissed as anecdotal or bigoted.

But it galls me when Thais are held on a pedestal in this regard as with lauding Koreans for being polite. I want to immediately retort: it depends on the situation. I cannot count the number of times, for example, that Koreans have hung up the phone without saying goodbye or brushed up against me in UNcrowded situatons without saying excuse me. To some extent, of course, this is culturally relative and the second example can be explained by proxemics.


You don't trust ANY Asians in business? That seems a wide net for your few experiences. I got ripped off once in Vietnam once; my own stupid fault on day one for not knowing the currency denominations. All the other Viet's tried to tell me, but I didn't know what was going on, and the conniving beeyotch played it cool enough to get away with it, while she told them all to shut up.

Still that's only once out of the five Asian countries I've travelled in. I've had Koreans hand in a drunken friend's purse with all the cash in it, after she left it in the bar. Japanese have chased me down the street to give me change, and a Korean shop owner did the same to give me my credit card that I'd left behind. There's some I wouldn't trust with anything, and others I've trusted with more than my money. My comments are anecdotal, sure, but no more than yours.

As for the "rudeness" of hanging up and being bumped, it is a cultural thing to expect formal goodbyes and apologies respectively, just as it is for Koreans not to give them. So why the outrage?
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Thailand is a beautiful country. Yes.

The "Thai Smile" may be warm and friendly, but dont confuse it with genuine. They want something from you: your money, mullah, dineros, greenbacks. Thats all farangs are good for to them. if you are careful, it can be a fun place.

Contrary to popular belief, there are many Thai people who don't need your money. Go hang out at the country clubs, golf resorts, classy places etc. You'll see what I'm talking about. It takes a while to know which Thais you can trust and which ones you can't. Best thing to do is hang out with Thais who don't need your money. Yes, there are some Thais who make an honest living and they wouldn't take your money if you begged them. In fact, they get insulted if you even offer to pay for something or give back more change from a split tab. Those are my friends. Thais have been the most generous people I have known. Other Thais have been some of the most greedy, underhanded, liars I have ever had the unfortunate luck of encountering. Mai pen rai!
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happeningthang:

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You don't trust ANY Asians in business? That seems a wide net for your few experiences


How could you possibly know what my experiences are? Nothing like being presumptuous. BTW, I'm not saying all Asians are dishonest. I'm saying I don't trust them in business because far too many don't play by the same rules. What we might consider bribery or dishonesty, too many Asians consider getting the better end of the deal. And, frankly, I'm sick and tired of bartering for things. Put a dam-n price tag on the item that reflects it's true retail price and be done with it.

What I despise is when you agree to a price and then a few minutes later it changes, or after the cab ride ends.

Vic:

The worst are the tuk-tuk drivers, although in fairness many are Laotians.
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
happeningthang:

Quote:
You don't trust ANY Asians in business? That seems a wide net for your few experiences


How could you possibly know what my experiences are? Nothing like being presumptuous.


Perhaps I should have said, "the experiences you mentioned in support for your argument", but I thought that it was obvious. I didn't expect anyone would presume otherwise.

I agree tuk-tuk drivers aren't to be trusted, but they're chancers. I guess there's enough mugs out there who hand over money without thinking to make it worth their while. My first encounter with a tu-tuk driver landed me in the middle of a ghetto, when I left him without his fare. He tried to take me to some go-go bar for his kickback, while I was trying to get to the kickboxing.
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
happeningthang:

Quote:
You don't trust ANY Asians in business? That seems a wide net for your few experiences


How could you possibly know what my experiences are? Nothing like being presumptuous. BTW, I'm not saying all Asians are dishonest. I'm saying I don't trust them in business because far too many don't play by the same rules. What we might consider bribery or dishonesty, too many Asians consider getting the better end of the deal. And, frankly, I'm sick and tired of bartering for things. Put a dam-n price tag on the item that reflects it's true retail price and be done with it.

What I despise is when you agree to a price and then a few minutes later it changes, or after the cab ride ends.

Vic:

The worst are the tuk-tuk drivers, although in fairness many are Laotians.


No, most of the tuk tuk drivers are Thai. Once you understand that the pushy ones are looking for farang suckers, you should be just fine. I have one female tuk tuk driver as a friend in Chiang Mai and she is wonderful. She is definately trustworthy and a blast to have as a tour guide.

The worst in Thailand are the songtaew drivers. I absolutely hate them with a passion. I'd like to shoot the guy whoever thought it was a good idea to turn pickup trucks into such evil devices that charge top prices and monopolize areas like Pattaya. GRRR 150-200 baht to go for a ten minute ride from the bus station to a hotel near the beach!

You say you don't trust ANY Asians in business? I guess you don't have any business sense at all. I play it smart with Asians and I almost always end up in the better end of the deal. It's the caucasians who I personally find to be the biggest liars, theifs and con artits. I no longer trust ANY whitey ESL business people.... slime balls. They make the worst of tuk tuk drivers look innocent.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.avert.org/aidsthai.htm

Thailand Statistics
Estimated total population, July 2005 64,233,000
Estimated number of people living with HIV, end 2005 580,000
Adults (15+) 560,000
Women (15+) 220,000
Children (0-15) 16,000
Estimated adult HIV prevalence 1.4%
Estimated number of AIDS deaths in 2005 21,000

The majority of Thailand’s HIV infections (around 80%) occur through heterosexual sex.
HIV affects more men than women in Thailand; the male-female ratio is nearly 3:1.
HIV prevalence among pregnant women, which reached a peak of 2.35% in 1995, had fallen to 1.18% by 2003.
The distribution of antiretroviral drugs has coincided with a dramatic drop in the number of officially reported AIDS-deaths – from 5,020 in 2004 to 1,640 in 2005.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

In South korea- if women had equal employment opportunities do you think you would see barber shops on every street corner? No.

Women have equal employment opportunities in the U.S., and there are still plenty of hookers. It's quick and easy money that doesn't require an education or qualifications (well, maybe some qualifications . . .) and you get paid instantly. Plus, the fastest growing group of prostitutes in the U.S. is young males (gay and straight) who cater to gay males. Is this because men don't have equal employment opportunites?

Sex for sale (be it prostitution, dowery, human trafficking, or marriage) has and always will be part of the economy for the basic laws of supply and demand. Men will never be able (or willing) to control their lust. No offense to all you guys out there (because I'm sure you are the exception), but only an extremely small percentage of rapists, molestors, johns (janes?), and sexually-related serial killers are women. As long as men will do anything to feed their desires, women will degrade themselves to survive, even if there are other options.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jmbran11"]
nautilus wrote:

Plus, the fastest growing group of prostitutes in the U.S. is young males (gay and straight) who cater to gay males. Is this because men don't have equal employment opportunites?


"Fastest growing" this statistic always annoyed me. Its like "fastest growing economies" are always poor countries such as China. They are fastest growing because even small growth of a small economy will be bigger bigger compared to the growth of a larger economy. Its a pointless statistic.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
[but only an extremely small percentage of rapists, molestors, johns (janes?), and sexually-related serial killers are women.


1. This has more to do with anatomy: its harder to rape a boy than a girl. So its not easy to find women rapists.
2. It also has a lot to do with what society perceives as a rapist and molestor. A woman gets away with a lot more. Look at the cases of women teachers in sexual relationships with their students. If the teacher was a man it would be called rape or molestation. Because its a woman we call it a relationship. Women get away with a lot more, men are overly scrutanized. Yes, men are much more lilely to be sexually related serial killers (tough for a woman to serially rape and kill people, what with the lack of strength and all) but dont be so quick to give women the pass in the molestation department. We just dont call it molestation. Its a sick double standard.
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jmbran11



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
jmbran11 wrote:
[but only an extremely small percentage of rapists, molestors, johns (janes?), and sexually-related serial killers are women.


1. This has more to do with anatomy: its harder to rape a boy than a girl. So its not easy to find women rapists.
2. It also has a lot to do with what society perceives as a rapist and molestor. A woman gets away with a lot more. Look at the cases of women teachers in sexual relationships with their students. If the teacher was a man it would be called rape or molestation. Because its a woman we call it a relationship.


Completely untrue. Many men (as well as boys) are raped. You can look to prison statistics alone. I have never heard anyone condone adult sex with minors. Those teachers are facing criminal charges. The difference is that the women typically don't have a pattern of abuse, while the average male pedophile molests over 100 victims in his lifetime.


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