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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Nothing pops-up when I start my Windows because I haven't installed any stupid software which is configured to run on start-up. So, like you, I don't get any pop-ups. If you configure a program to run on start-up then you will get pop-ups on a Mac or a PC.
And my machine basically doesn't crash. So it doesn't really impair what I do.
Of course, all this stuff varies from user to user. The Korean teachers at my last school clicked anything that asked to be clicked on the internet. They made the PC's virtually unusable. In their hands a Mac might be a safer choice. Mac's require very little user knowledge. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are overpriced Fisher Price toys, like the guy in the article I linked.
Although this PC user is well aware of the simplicity of Macs that doesn't attract me. Because I know how to handle PC's, Windows and tens of thousands of software choices fairly well, I can make PC's work for me in a way I couldn't with a Mac.
I can build them, I can upgrade them. I can tweak them. I can make them better and better. I can pick and choose from software choices that would make a Mac user's head spin.
I don't think Mac's are bad computers, in the same way that Mac users feel PC's are inferior to Mac's. I just like the hobby-ist side to PC's that you can't get with Macs. Sure, there are crappy PC's out there which any recent Mac could eat up for breakfast. But, there are a lot of amazing PC's which have been built by people with an interest in computers which would eat any Mac alive!
Oh, and to keep the anecdotal thing going, I did use Mac's at work everyday for one year. I didn't like them!!  |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
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| What are you talking about? what popups? what crash? what spyware? |
The ones that plague Windows, incessantly. It isn't a matter of debate. |
Popups? You mean those things which are a part of many websites? |
Nope. Not those. The ones that plague Windows incessantly. Read what is written.
There are four or five popups that greet me everyday when I startup the (Windows) computer at my school. I've never seen a popup attach itself to the MacOS. It may happen. I've never seen it.
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| Crashes? My XP system has crashed maybe once this year. ... The crashes occured when playing a corrupted video file. Hardly the fault of XP. |
Bully for you. What is this, a competition of anecdotals? The Windows machine at my school crashed all the time; the technician came and wiped the hardrive and did a clean install; now it has several popups attached to it; today it crashed during class. All this in the last few months.
Handling problems gracefully, such as corrupted video files, is entirely the job of the operating system.
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| Can you see the construct Mac users have built? That Windows is crappy and doesn't work as well as Mac. It's an illusion... |
The reverse is more likely. It's a fair generalization that any minority is more aware of the majority than vice-versa. Mac users are often Windows users too: It is hard to avoid Windows. It is much easier to avoid Macs. I'd happily bet that Mac-inexperience among Windows users is much higher than Windows-inexperience among Mac users. |
You can blame it at the idiotic Koreans that use that computer.. They love spyware infested shit.
My Vista machine has no popups hasn't bsod or crashed... My win2k Laptop well it hasn't crashed EVER.. Its been 2 Years now, same install  Still get solid 3 hours on my battery as well.
Its also nice to play a game on one monitor 1680X1050 (Oblivion ATM) and watch tv shows on the other monitor.. Not a hickup. |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Of course. Blame it on the "idiotic Koreans."
It's like a train rolling down the track. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
Of course. Blame it on the "idiotic Koreans."
It's like a train rolling down the track. |
Tell you what. Download explorer for Mac. They stopped making it but you should be able to get an old version. Surf around Korean websites for a day and every time you get prompted to install something, install it. After that experience get back to us.
As well, could you tell me how much it would cost for me to buy an apple product in which I can fit 10 hard drives, run two monitors, have two CPUs, and an unlimited selection, as well as ease, to swap out, change, and upgrade parts? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| luvnpeas wrote: |
Of course. Blame it on the "idiotic Koreans."
It's like a train rolling down the track. |
Tell you what. Download explorer for Mac. They stopped making it but you should be able to get an old version. Surf around Korean websites for a day and every time you get prompted to install something, install it. After that experience get back to us.
As well, could you tell me how much it would cost for me to buy an apple product in which I can fit 10 hard drives, run two monitors, have two CPUs, and an unlimited selection, as well as ease, to swap out, change, and upgrade parts? |
Yep... click "yes" to each and every active x control that asks for an install, allow third-party software installations in the internet options window and disable popup blocking. This will put you on track with a typical Korean computer user, and right in line with someone using a system that isn't their own.
It's good that you love Mac, but your reasons - all of which are comparative - have no basis in the reality of an intermediate Windows user, or even a careful novice.
Mac is niche and there isn't much attention paid to it by hackers or people who write malicious software. It really is that simple. If it were Mac that 90-odd percent of home PCs were running, we would be having this conversation in reverse.
~ Mac is not more secure than Windows.
~ Windows XP is a great OS. If the courts would get off Microsoft's back about bundling programs, Windows would be as stable, complete and standalone as MacOS. As it stands, MS put limited development into multimedia applications for photo, movie and audio manipulation because they will be dragged into court for unfair practices if they make a robust, all-encompassing solution. So, they bundle half-hearted, crippled versions of what could be high quality programs to appease third-party vendors and keep themselves out of court. Apparently, as is the case with Mac, being unloved has benefits.
~ Windows users aren't practiced on Macs because they just don't need to be.
These are truths. |
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xenok
Joined: 03 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I can leave my computer on for days at a time without a single problem. |
My computer has been on for 120 days, since I moved into my new apartment. |
no reboots? i guess you don't believe in keeping your windows machine updated. |
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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas... you're comparing apples to oranges in comparing a PC running windows as a public computer in a Korean school to your own private Mac. |
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seoulman1
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Jamsil
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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food for thought:
I run a mac predominantly for the pro software final cut and logic which are incredible and are not available on PC. and its other sexy features. Ie when the lights go out the screen automatically fade and the keys light up. Or the gyroscope that shuts the HD down if you drop it.
But... I can also run windows on my macbook pro... When I run windows I get better wireless reception... Go figure. |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Promptly, two posters in defense of blaming "idiotic Koreans" for what people criticize in Windows. Around here, concede anything but the validity of insulting Koreans. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Since the "idiot" card has been played, let's examine some hands.
Do the criticisms of Windows come only from foreigners in Korea? Idiots.
Was it said or implied that, "when I startup the (Windows) computer at my school," it is a public computer? ...that many Koreans use it? ...that it is frequently used for downloading? Idiots.
Is there a reason one must get the Microsoft browser for Mac in order to experience death by popups? And a reason that would be a defense of Microsoft? Idiot.
Is the point in observing problems with a design that no level of expertise can fix them?
A computer with ten harddrives. Does that represent the needs of 10% of users? 1%...0.01% ? The preceding discussion concerned the iPod and Mini.
A computer running two monitors simultaneously. A Mac norm for 15 years, it's trivial. A 16 megahertz Mac in 1992 ran two monitors simultaneously. Idiot.
A computer with two CPU's. Old news. A used DP Mac is a few hundred dollars.
Hackers/tinkerers ignorant of relevant hacks: You can install MacOS on home-built PC's. No Apple hardware required.
Did the courts forbid Microsoft from bundling any software? No. Did they forbid Microsoft from doing anything Apple does? No. Idiot.
Are most professional graphic design programs used on a Mac made by Apple? No. Are they bundled with Macs? No. Are most available for Windows? Yes. Idiot.
No doubt, those of you pleased to attribute standard problems with Windows on "idiotic Koreans" won't object to attributing standard problems with Windows-freaks bitching in a Mac thread on idiotic wayguks. My faith in your classy lack of hypocrisy is beyond compare.
What are people called who continually inject idiotic yet abrasive remarks into discussions that don't actually interest them?
http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/dealingwithtrolls.html
Idiots. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
Promptly, two posters in defense of blaming "idiotic Koreans" for what people criticize in Windows. Around here, concede anything but the validity of insulting Koreans. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Since the "idiot" card has been played, let's examine some hands.
Do the criticisms of Windows come only from foreigners in Korea? Idiots.
Was it said or implied that, "when I startup the (Windows) computer at my school," it is a public computer? ...that many Koreans use it? ...that it is frequently used for downloading? Idiots.
Is there a reason one must get the Microsoft browser for Mac in order to experience death by popups? And a reason that would be a defense of Microsoft? Idiot.
Is the point in observing problems with a design that no level of expertise can fix them?
A computer with ten harddrives. Does that represent the needs of 10% of users? 1%...0.01% ? The preceding discussion concerned the iPod and Mini.
A computer running two monitors simultaneously. A Mac norm for 15 years, it's trivial. A 16 megahertz Mac in 1992 ran two monitors simultaneously. Idiot.
A computer with two CPU's. Old news. A used DP Mac is a few hundred dollars.
Hackers/tinkerers ignorant of relevant hacks: You can install MacOS on home-built PC's. No Apple hardware required.
Did the courts forbid Microsoft from bundling any software? No. Did they forbid Microsoft from doing anything Apple does? No. Idiot.
Are most professional graphic design programs used on a Mac made by Apple? No. Are they bundled with Macs? No. Are most available for Windows? Yes. Idiot.
No doubt, those of you pleased to attribute standard problems with Windows on "idiotic Koreans" won't object to attributing standard problems with Windows-freaks *beep* in a Mac thread on idiotic wayguks. My faith in your classy lack of hypocrisy is beyond compare.
What are people called who continually inject idiotic yet abrasive remarks into discussions that don't actually interest them?
http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/dealingwithtrolls.html
Idiots. |
You're just a straight-up *beep* head.
I never said that Mac can't do what I can. I asked how much it costs because when I priced my computer back a few years ago it would have cost me twice as much to get a similar Mac and that was my point.
The reason you have to get explorer to experience the pop-ups is because most sites, and multiply that by 20 for Korean sites, are built for explorer. Firefox doesn't work well with them and neither does Opera and the pop-ups and junkware aren't installed. It's not MS's fault, it's Korean web-designers.
Basically I can do anything with my PC and I, despite your assertions, don't have viruses, crashes, or pop-ups. My machine was half the price of an equivalent Apple product (at that time -- the Mac Pro is similar in power and ability to my machine and not too much more than I paid two nearly 2 years ago), I have a wider range of software available as well as more access to it, my machine is easier to upgrade and I have way more choice. As far as choice, my little laptop is an 8" and the smallest I can get with Mac is a 13" as far as I know.
All that and if something ever did break and don't have to search all over creation for the two apple service centers on the peninsula. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
Promptly, two posters in defense of blaming "idiotic Koreans" for what people criticize in Windows. Around here, concede anything but the validity of insulting Koreans. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Since the "idiot" card has been played, let's examine some hands.
Do the criticisms of Windows come only from foreigners in Korea? Idiots.
Was it said or implied that, "when I startup the (Windows) computer at my school," it is a public computer? ...that many Koreans use it? ...that it is frequently used for downloading? Idiots.
Is there a reason one must get the Microsoft browser for Mac in order to experience death by popups? And a reason that would be a defense of Microsoft? Idiot.
Is the point in observing problems with a design that no level of expertise can fix them?
A computer with ten harddrives. Does that represent the needs of 10% of users? 1%...0.01% ? The preceding discussion concerned the iPod and Mini.
A computer running two monitors simultaneously. A Mac norm for 15 years, it's trivial. A 16 megahertz Mac in 1992 ran two monitors simultaneously. Idiot.
A computer with two CPU's. Old news. A used DP Mac is a few hundred dollars.
Hackers/tinkerers ignorant of relevant hacks: You can install MacOS on home-built PC's. No Apple hardware required.
Did the courts forbid Microsoft from bundling any software? No. Did they forbid Microsoft from doing anything Apple does? No. Idiot.
Are most professional graphic design programs used on a Mac made by Apple? No. Are they bundled with Macs? No. Are most available for Windows? Yes. Idiot.
No doubt, those of you pleased to attribute standard problems with Windows on "idiotic Koreans" won't object to attributing standard problems with Windows-freaks *beep* in a Mac thread on idiotic wayguks. My faith in your classy lack of hypocrisy is beyond compare.
What are people called who continually inject idiotic yet abrasive remarks into discussions that don't actually interest them?
http://communitiesonline.homestead.com/dealingwithtrolls.html
Idiots. |
All you have to do is bait the hook.
For what it's worth luvnpeas, I didn't call you any names or insult you.
I can't express how humorous it is when one pushes against something so hard, they actually fall through to the other side.
Enjoy your Mac. We should meet sometime for an online game of.....whoops....sorry. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I forbid my parents from using IE and their machine has been running for over 5 years.. I told them to use firefox or Opera. Unlike Korea the rest of the world prefers the NON exploitable Activex Controls for online banking and other secure transactions. You try to use Opera and Firefo xon a Korean website. You can only use Internet Explorer and its gone ask you like 30 things of activex to install HENCE the idiotic Koreans line (Even the Korean government is telling people not to upgrade to IE 7 because It has done away with activeX breaks all those shity poorly written and managed idiotic Korean websites). Koreans are crappy developers they take easy way out and their users are idiotic becuase they do absolutly no homework when it comes to their own personal netizen safety. I dare you to install any Korean made software thats not full of garbage and spyware.. I can only thing of Hangul Wordprocessing the rest of Korean apps are just shit.
There are plenty of waeguk idiots as well. Mostly the ones that come on this forum and claim to want to reformat cause they have a virus or spyware.. There is only few places you can get those.. 1) Email attachments 2) Bad downloads from untrusted websites 3) PORN 4) PORN 5) PORN..
I have downloaded over a Terrabyte worth of information in 9 months and NOT a single Virus or piece of spyware.. I don't even run an antivirus half the time or and antispyware.. Why? When I download I make sure I know what I am downloading. I read comments on the downloads. I download from trusted sources. I don't download ZIP filesm, I don't download EXE files or any other executable or script files. I don't download easily exploited file types. AND here is the BIG one.. I DON"T SURF FOR PORN. Being stupid on the net is the equivalent of not muzzling your snake when you have sex.
As an X-coder/IT/Administrator I know what an idtiotic computer user is. I worked for big and small companies I've seen it all Mac and PC alike. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, argue somewhere else. I'm a Mac user, I hate PC's with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, but crap, this is just tired. Either post about your Apple products or shut the hell up. It's not like someone will post something new on the old argument, so why do you still even bother. Be it an Apple troll or a PC troll, just ignore it like you would any other.
-S- |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| You're just a straight-up *beep* head. |
Oops. So much for faith in integrity. When you call people idiots--particularly when you lump people by race or ethnicity and call them all idiots--don't get your boxers in a bunch when the rhetoric is returned.
Wrench's summary of how to avoid problems with Windows:
* Never use IE
* Never go to Korean Web sites
* Never install anything Korean
* Never download ZIP files
* Never download EXE files
* Never download any other executable or script files
Then, choose Windows for its unlimited options.
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| For what it's worth luvnpeas, I didn't call you any names or insult you. |
Nope, you insulted all Koreans. Much better. |
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