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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: When resigning, what's reasonable? Reply with quote

I know I haven't been here for very long, but I'm hitting the 5 month mark and starting to realize that I really enjoy teaching and would like to do the Korea thing for at least another year so I can make some money to go to grad school. I'm thinking I would like to stay in a hagwon: the hours suit me and I like having freedom in the classroom.

But Dave's makes me think that I might not be able to ever find as sweet of a deal as I have now. I get along well with my coworkers, have a nice apartment, always get paid on time, am provided with books and materials but am still trusted to be self-sufficient, and most importantly, I have lots of smart students who seem to really be making progress.

So when I'm offered another contract (which I'm 99.99% sure I will be), what's reasonable to ask for? Right now my biggest issue is that I really don't have any vacation time other than school-mandated vacation. My contract is up at the end of October. I'd like to have November and December off so I can go home, and then come back in January. I'm willing to forgo a pay increase in lieu of a week or two of vacation that I can take when I want it. Is there anything else I should ask for? What should I expect to be offered/be able to negotiate when signing up for another year?
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey there,

First and foremost, take whatever is said on this board with a grain of salt. Most people who talk here grip and complain. Very rarely do you see people who are happy posting. If you are honestly happy with the school you are working at, then stay there. Talk to your managers before your contract is up, and tell them what you would like. If you need 2 weeks off to see your family, and if they want you to continue working there, they will give it to you. If you are honest with your employer about your needs, they will help you out. I say this, because you seem satisfied to this point. You should be able to get the flight home and back paid for, plus a raise, as it would cost the employer the same amount just to bring a new person in. (Then subtract the fact that they aren't as familiar with the system as you are.)

Just make sure that when you talk to your managers, you take into consideration their point of view. What I mean by this is, how long are their semesters, will they need to sub for you, are you leaving during a slow time or busy time? I would take what you know of the company, and pick your time to go home based on what would be easiest on the company, so that they would have very little reason to denigh your request.
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crsandus



Joined: 05 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit off topic but when I read your thread title I thought to myself "Oh? She's quitting her job? I thought oneofthesarahs was happy with her job"
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: When resigning, what's reasonable? Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
I know I haven't been here for very long, but I'm hitting the 5 month mark and starting to realize that I really enjoy teaching and would like to do the Korea thing for at least another year so I can make some money to go to grad school. I'm thinking I would like to stay in a hagwon: the hours suit me and I like having freedom in the classroom.

But Dave's makes me think that I might not be able to ever find as sweet of a deal as I have now. I get along well with my coworkers, have a nice apartment, always get paid on time, am provided with books and materials but am still trusted to be self-sufficient, and most importantly, I have lots of smart students who seem to really be making progress.

So when I'm offered another contract (which I'm 99.99% sure I will be), what's reasonable to ask for? Right now my biggest issue is that I really don't have any vacation time other than school-mandated vacation. My contract is up at the end of October. I'd like to have November and December off so I can go home, and then come back in January. I'm willing to forgo a pay increase in lieu of a week or two of vacation that I can take when I want it. Is there anything else I should ask for? What should I expect to be offered/be able to negotiate when signing up for another year?


Yup... Hey boss, I am finished at the end of October. Please have my pay, severance and cash for my airticket ready.

I will be returning at the end of December. Do you know anyone who will need a teacher then?
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AwesomeA



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Yeosu

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have worked with a few bosses to re-sign. First, 100 a month raise. Don't expect a paid vacation that you can take when you want, without offering to find a sub. When it comes to airfare, it is cheaper to buy a roundtrip ticket than 2 one way tickets.
In the next 7 months of your contract show them that the can't do without "oneofthesarahs" the teacher as well as the person.
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Sody



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
Hey there,

First and foremost, take whatever is said on this board with a grain of salt. Most people who talk here grip and complain. Very rarely do you see people who are happy posting. If you are honestly happy with the school you are working at, then stay there. Talk to your managers before your contract is up, and tell them what you would like. If you need 2 weeks off to see your family, and if they want you to continue working there, they will give it to you. If you are honest with your employer about your needs, they will help you out. I say this, because you seem satisfied to this point. You should be able to get the flight home and back paid for, plus a raise, as it would cost the employer the same amount just to bring a new person in. (Then subtract the fact that they aren't as familiar with the system as you are.)

Just make sure that when you talk to your managers, you take into consideration their point of view. What I mean by this is, how long are their semesters, will they need to sub for you, are you leaving during a slow time or busy time? I would take what you know of the company, and pick your time to go home based on what would be easiest on the company, so that they would have very little reason to denigh your request.


You sound like a Korean teacher/manager/recruiter. Smile
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your holiday allotment at the moment?
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
Most people who talk here grip and complain. Very rarely do you see people who are happy posting.


That's a BS generalization from someone who does know unhappy.

And BTW, it's spelled "gripe".
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
You should be able to get the flight home and back paid for, plus a raise, as it would cost the employer the same amount just to bring a new person in. (Then subtract the fact that they aren't as familiar with the system as you are.)


No, you sound like someone who never worked for a Korean director before. Very fat chance they are going to take all these logical considerations into account when determining whether or not to accept your demands.

You expect two months or two weeks holiday, Sarah? It's a bit unclear. You could even be expecting both? Unless you have someone to do your job for you for that vacation time, you got a fat chance. Much fatter with 2 months than two weeks. Doesn't matter how much they like you, without a school mascot in class for two months their business would suffer significantly.

Demand one week in winter, one week in summer and take a real vacation when you resign, slacker.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarah, do whatever is best for you. That school will still be there whenever you decide you want to return. My best guess is that once you get back to the land where people actually smile in public, don't stare/glare at you, and hold a door for you, then you'll want to stay there.

Take my advice- stay there. Wink
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
Hey there,

First and foremost, take whatever is said on this board with a grain of salt. Most people who talk here grip and complain. Very rarely do you see people who are happy posting. If you are honestly happy with the school you are working at, then stay there. Talk to your managers before your contract is up, and tell them what you would like. If you need 2 weeks off to see your family, and if they want you to continue working there, they will give it to you. If you are honest with your employer about your needs, they will help you out. I say this, because you seem satisfied to this point. You should be able to get the flight home and back paid for, plus a raise, as it would cost the employer the same amount just to bring a new person in. (Then subtract the fact that they aren't as familiar with the system as you are.)

Just make sure that when you talk to your managers, you take into consideration their point of view. What I mean by this is, how long are their semesters, will they need to sub for you, are you leaving during a slow time or busy time? I would take what you know of the company, and pick your time to go home based on what would be easiest on the company, so that they would have very little reason to denigh your request.


Ooooooooookay...

And from before...

polonius wrote:

I am sorry but crap like this PI$$ES me off. You feel you need to waste time in class. What kind of teacher are you. Obviously you are here for the money, and not to help some kids learn the language. So... get the F&^% out, and let someone teach them.

I have no time for slackers, and people who are looking for the lowest hours for the highest pay. Whoever does is in this industry for the wrong reasons.

You are LAZY, and should be slapped for it.


Maybe teaching English is juuuuuuuuuuuust a little easier for me than it is for you. Juuuuuuuust maaaybe...
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heheh. I think polonius already chopped up and buried four of his students for not taking English study seriously enough.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that Sarah needs to do what's best for her and not wait for any word from the school. She's not leaving early. The school's answer is ALWAYS going to be something like "Need Englishee teacher NOW, NOW. NOW."

Sarah-I'd keep my plans to myself. The situation may be fine NOW, but if Sarah does tell them she's thinking about leaving, things could turn ugly.
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jodemas2



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crsandus wrote:
A bit off topic but when I read your thread title I thought to myself "Oh? She's quitting her job? I thought oneofthesarahs was happy with her job"

Yes, wouldn't it be nice if purported English teachers knew the difference between "re-sign" and "resign?"
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
crsandus wrote:
A bit off topic but when I read your thread title I thought to myself "Oh? She's quitting her job? I thought oneofthesarahs was happy with her job"

Yes, wouldn't it be nice if purported English teachers knew the difference between "re-sign" and "resign?"


Yeah, you're right. I'm a failure at life because I accidentally made a typo.

Anyway, thanks to everyone with helpful comments. Maybe I am trying to get too much out of my director. I'm just trying to think things through and get things straightened out in my head so I'm not lost and in a panic when my contract ends and I have to actually make some decisions.
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