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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Are Koreans simple minded? |
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I don't mean this in an insulting way, but it was a conclusion that I came to the other day.
There are some simple-looking decisions, ways of doing things, and ways of thinking, and given more thought, they are not good decisions. But I see them every day here.
Here are some examples:
1. Near my place in Bucheon, there was 1 place for chicken feet and it was super successful. It was the only one on the street. Now there are 6 places. Funny enough, the usual rules of oversaturation didn't take effect, and most people stayed loyal to the original place. The other places were all almost empty.
Simple thinking: If it's popular, more is better. There will be enough customers for everyone.
The truth: Totally ignoring any thoughts of oversaturation, loyalty, and quality of product, the majority of those places will go under.
2. If that kid goes to 5 hagwons a week, if I send my kid to 6 or 7 hagwons, (s)he will be smarter.
Simple thinking: More is better when it comes to education.
The truth: Diminishing returns.
3. The ajumma sees the seat and pushes people to get to it.
Simple thinking: The shortest distance between 2 places is a straight line.
The truth: It is difficult to push someone who is bigger that you (everyone is bigger than an ajumma) and someone else grabs the seat first by going AROUND the other people. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I also wonder sometimes. I went to Giordano to buy a grey T-shirt. They had packs of three containing two white T-shirts and one grey one. They also had a pack containg all white T-shirts. I wanted grey T-shirts but they didn't have a pack containg all grey T-shirts or even a pack containg two grey and one white. On top of this I couldn't buy just one T-shirt whether it be white or grey. I asked the shop assistant whether they could swap them around (the packs could be opened and closed without any problem) but he refused. He told me that there was nothing I could. Frustrated I left and headed to Polham. I got there and encountered exactly the same problem! Now onto classic story number two.
I wanted to buy some chicken from these hof/street vendors. There were about 6 in the same street. I wanted to eat just one piece. I asked for one peice but they told me that I had to buy at least 3 pieces. I told them that I would buy 2 at the very most. They refused and lost my custom. I went to the other outfits and they told me the same thing. I guess they don't like money. I actually counted the chicken and they had 14 peices! Go figure. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a dvd movie vendor in the subway. He was selling dvds at 5 for 10,000 won.
I wanted 3 titles for 6,000 won and he turned my offer down. Not interested in making money I guess.
Even worse - Last night another vendor was selling dvds at 4 dvds for 10,000 won. From him I wanted 5 titles and offered him 12,500 won. He demended 13,000 won. Now, do you think you're going to get a repeat customer by jacking up your prices when he's already buying some of your stuff? Only in Korea. The Chinese would never do this. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a dvd movie vendor in the subway. He was selling dvds at 5 for 10,000 won.
I wanted 3 titles for 6,000 won and he turned my offer down. Not interested in making money I guess. |
Of course he turned you down. The reason they offer those prices is because it is to sell more DVD's and make more money. The deal is 5 for 10,000, not 1 for 2,000. If it was 1 for 2,000, they would advertise 1 for 2,000. The exact same thing happens in North America all the time. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
I saw a dvd movie vendor in the subway. He was selling dvds at 5 for 10,000 won.
I wanted 3 titles for 6,000 won and he turned my offer down. Not interested in making money I guess. |
Of course he turned you down. The reason they offer those prices is because it is to sell more DVD's and make more money. The deal is 5 for 10,000, not 1 for 2,000. If it was 1 for 2,000, they would advertise 1 for 2,000. The exact same thing happens in North America all the time. |
I don't know where you shop in North America, but generally speaking, if something is 2 for $1, they'll usually sell you one for .50. Only an idiot would hold out and lose a sale. Most of the time the 5 for $10 thing is just a psychological trick to convince the buyer to buy that number. It's most often not a rule written in stone.
There is also a fair amount of competition between dvd vendors so they should be a little more customer friendly. I guess they're not that hungry for money. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I went to flea market and this dude was selling North Korean currency as souvenirs. It looked cool so I tried to buy some. There was a 5 won bill and I figured I'd be generous so I offered the guy 10 won for it. And he gets all indignant and says he wants 20,000 won for it. I'm like, "Bro, it says 5 won right on the bill! That's a 400,000% increase? I'm not some chump! No thanks, you SIMPLE-MINDED ASS!" |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| There should be a new commercial for something well-being with Daniel Henney asking, "Are you simple?" |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
I saw a dvd movie vendor in the subway. He was selling dvds at 5 for 10,000 won.
I wanted 3 titles for 6,000 won and he turned my offer down. Not interested in making money I guess. |
Of course he turned you down. The reason they offer those prices is because it is to sell more DVD's and make more money. The deal is 5 for 10,000, not 1 for 2,000. If it was 1 for 2,000, they would advertise 1 for 2,000. The exact same thing happens in North America all the time. |
I don't know where you shop in North America, but generally speaking, if something is 2 for $1, they'll usually sell you one for .50. Only an idiot would hold out and lose a sale. Most of the time the 5 for $10 thing is just a psychological trick to convince the buyer to buy that number. It's most often not a rule written in stone.
There is also a fair amount of competition between dvd vendors so they should be a little more customer friendly. I guess they're not that hungry for money. |
Haha, are you serious? So, if I go to a clothing store, and they are having a deal with 2 for 1 or buy one get one free, they will give me just one for half the price? No way. Is your hate on for Korea running that deeply lately? |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
I saw a dvd movie vendor in the subway. He was selling dvds at 5 for 10,000 won.
I wanted 3 titles for 6,000 won and he turned my offer down. Not interested in making money I guess. |
Of course he turned you down. The reason they offer those prices is because it is to sell more DVD's and make more money. The deal is 5 for 10,000, not 1 for 2,000. If it was 1 for 2,000, they would advertise 1 for 2,000. The exact same thing happens in North America all the time. |
I don't know where you shop in North America, but generally speaking, if something is 2 for $1, they'll usually sell you one for .50. Only an idiot would hold out and lose a sale. Most of the time the 5 for $10 thing is just a psychological trick to convince the buyer to buy that number. It's most often not a rule written in stone.
There is also a fair amount of competition between dvd vendors so they should be a little more customer friendly. I guess they're not that hungry for money. |
Haha, are you serious? So, if I go to a clothing store, and they are having a deal with 2 for 1 or buy one get one free, they will give me just one for half the price? No way. Is your hate on for Korea running that deeply lately? |
Depends on the store. Stores are not a good example anyway because they are so corporate and that means anal. They have rules handed down form the CEO....
The dvd vendors in Korea don't belong to a corporation as far as I know. They fall into the flea market variety of sellers. These kind of people live on negotiations and are very hungry to sell usually. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Location: under the hat
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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ajgeddes wrote: �Haha, are you serious? So, if I go to a clothing store, and they are having a deal with 2 for 1 or buy one get one free, they will give me just one for half the price? No way.�
Well ajgeddes, I have actually bought 1 for half the price, in a 2-for-1 sale, and have most often not had a problem with such deals in North America. And, I like living here in Korea and I don�t have a hatred bone to pick! Haha! |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I still don't really think it is much to complain about. But, if you want a good example, I have one. Last week I went to Yongsan. As I was browsing the DVD's, there was a guy beside me buying some. He asked how much they were, and the guy said 3,000 won. So, the guy bought 3, or at least he was going to. The guy told him it would cost 10,000 won for 3. So, the guy just bought 2 for 6,000 and his girlfriend came back about 30 seconds later and bought one. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really understand the niche marketing/saturation that goes on here. It seems kind of self-defeating to the vendors.
Example...I want to sell some kind of electronics. If I open up my shop outside of the 용산 area, I'm losing because of diminished traffic. If I open up my shop in the 용산 area, I'm surrounded by such heavy competition that my profit margins are razor thin.
Don't get me wrong, it's great for the consumer, but hell on the vendor. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| My old hagwon closed down and moved to cheaper premises cos business was poor. It's now sandwiched between two major chains. Well done wangjangnim. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
I don't really understand the niche marketing/saturation that goes on here. It seems kind of self-defeating to the vendors.
Example...I want to sell some kind of electronics. If I open up my shop outside of the 용산 area, I'm losing because of diminished traffic. If I open up my shop in the 용산 area, I'm surrounded by such heavy competition that my profit margins are razor thin.
Don't get me wrong, it's great for the consumer, but hell on the vendor. |
Which brings up another point...
Whose retarded idea was Technomart and Yongsan electronics?
"Hey guys, lets tech every gizmo vendor in Seoul, put them in the same place, selling THE SAME EXACT SH*T!"
"Brilliant!!!" |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| My old hagwon closed down and moved to cheaper premises cos business was poor. It's now sandwiched between two major chains. Well done wangjangnim. |
People on this board seem to take it for granted that a business ought not be near businesses of a same type. But what is this based on? Business knowledge or just some shaky conventional wisdom?
I think it is good for businesses to organize themselves by type so that it's easier for consumers to find them. You have your furniture district, your electronics district etc. As said, nobody scoffs at somebody for opening a camera store in Yongsan. Nobody would say "What an idiot, there's already like 100 camera stores in Yongsan!" But that's what we say when we see 5 Kamjatang restaurants together. Frankly, I don't know which makes more sense. |
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