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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Don't let this thread get derailed by quarreling over Jinju's remarks. Perhaps this ought to be moved over to General Forum. The pros & cons of the U.S.-Korea FTA might be Current Events material, but that's not the focus of this thread. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Here, his point seems to be that the solution to obnoxious and violent protestors is to give police the power to arrest professors for expressing certain opinions. This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I wrote my response to his post. |
those"certain opinions" are illegal. These are professors, teachers pumping out ILLEGAL pro-pyongyang and therefore by defintion ANTI ROK propaganda. Professors I can still stomach, but when we talk about highschool or middleschool teachers actively indoctrinating their students, then Im sorry, lock them up, phuck them up and spit them out.
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Just go to Costco and load up your Korean car with 400,000 won worth of imported American products. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| Just go to Costco and load up your Korean car with 400,000 won worth of imported American products. |
Three boxes of breakfast cereal and a packet of bratwurst. Will it be cash or plastic today, sir? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I suppose if I get harassed I can say something in French to confuse them, and they would leave me alone. Then they wouldn't know what to do. I don't have to prove a point. I don't know these darn people. I am not a soldier for any country and even if I was I am not allowed to open fire on Korean hostiles so why bother. I would avoid confrontation somehow. There is always a way to avoid confrontation. I have never had a confrontation in Korea. I've been to Itaewon many times. I stay away from rowdy people. Sure, there are anti-U.S. people here who could be subjects of Kim Jung Il. You might comment that them going to Starbucks is not different than many in American being racist againt the Arabs as a whole even if none of them were harmed by one and still take their gasoline. Just a thought. Hatred is a very bad thing that exists everywhere. If these kids don't want to learn English, they don't have to. Everyone else is doing it, and if they don't want good jobs they can bite me. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Don't let this thread get derailed by quarreling over Jinju's remarks. |
Ssshhh! he loves the attention too much.
Jinjus desperate trolling is so blatantly obvious I'm surprised folks even indulge him!
Poster A: "Its a nice weather today".
jinju: Are you f***king retarded, why did you say that? Are you a total idiot? get a life!
Poster B: Ummm. What???
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Don't let this thread get derailed by quarreling over Jinju's remarks. |
Ssshhh! he loves the attention too much.
Jinjus desperate trolling is so blatantly obvious I'm surprised folks even indulge him!
Poster A: "Its a nice weather today".
jinju: Are you f***king retarded, why did you say that? Are you a total idiot? get a life!
Poster B: Ummm. What???
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Id I really get to you this badly in the circumcision debate? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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The opposition to the talks has probably been hijacked by some of Pyeongyang's lap dogs and the kids are being stupid to fall their agit-prop (just consider how the Canada-Korea FTA talks have gone by unnoticed by these so-called 'anti-globalisation activists').
The irony of it all is that the US-Korea FTA is a bilateral agreement that is being negotiated on an equal playing field between the two governments and both sides of the negotiations could refuse to pull out of the talks, and ultimately not sign, if they saw it fit to do so.
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| those"certain opinions" are illegal. |
Given that you seem to support the suppression and arrest of those who express "illegal" opinions, I think you are that one that democracy is wasted on.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Jinju has a point.
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Which point would that be exactly?
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| Raid the campuses, arrest professors and teachers who spew this crap |
Here, his point seems to be that the solution to obnoxious and violent protestors is to give police the power to arrest professors for expressing certain opinions. This is the sort of thing I had in mind when I wrote my response to his post. |
But the professors in this example are inciting to violence. Whereas the "imam" in your example is just insisting on the enforcement of existing laws.
Big difference there. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Nowhere in his OP does Jinju say that he is specifically targetting professors who incite violence...
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Young idiots brainwashed by communist propaganda spewing teachers and professors. Democracy is lost on this country and what Im praying for is a right wing government that will stomp hard on these people. Raid the campuses, arrest professors and teachers who spew this crap and start beating the *beep* out of protestors who get out of line.
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Furthermore, he later says that the laws he wants to enforce are the "security laws", which I take as further evidence that he is not talking about simple incitement to violence. Because, presumably, incitement to violence is covered by other laws besides the security laws.
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| I dont think my positions are radical at all. I am simply advocating the enforcement of existing security laws. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Oh and one more thing...
I was not comparing the leftist profs to the imam. I was comparing Jinju to the imam, in that they both advocate the enforcement of "dead letter" laws in order to suppress personal freedom. The leftist profs would be comparable to the homosexuals. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| mnhnhyouh wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| those"certain opinions" are illegal. |
Given that you seem to support the suppression and arrest of those who express "illegal" opinions, I think you are that one that democracy is wasted on.
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Choice 1 as I would have it: a rich country, where people dont starve.
Choice 2 as these people would have it: pledging allegience to KJI.
So that we dont ever have to pledge allegience to KJI I see no harm in what I said. The laws are there for a reason. The reason being that a hostile enemy with a network of agents and provocateurs in this country and with a clear and stated plan of undermining the ROK and communizing the peninsula is armed and dangerous and oh, about 50kms from Seoul. So no, if some of these pro-communists, agents, 5th columnists are traitors are made to disappear or shut up, I wont cry for them. And neither should anyone who claims to love democracy. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Oh and one more thing...
I was not comparing the leftist profs to the imam. I was comparing Jinju to the imam, in that they both advocate the enforcement of "dead letter" laws in order to suppress personal freedom. The leftist profs would be comparable to the homosexuals. |
Person freedoms, what a joke. Peronal freedoms end when laws are broken. "Dead letter laws"? When did the DPRK disarm and stop planning to communize the South? |
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ariellowen
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| Seeing as "all is fair"; be glad these kids didn't shoot you in the back of the head. Although I'm full of prejudice and "cultural learnings," I (too) can see there are two sides to the coin. After all, how many hundreds of thousands really have been shot in the back of the head by Western-supported militaries, guerillas, insurgents and the like. That's cool OP that you were just going to do some shopping or whatever; but this issue is really a matter of life and death, or at least welfare, for some people, a little jostling on the metro is really not that big of a thing. As an ESL teacher, you are after all an agent of the West; don't get me wrong, I see all the gross irony in what these Korean kids were doing and saying, but, "this is war." |
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