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ariellowen
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| boring countries |
Don't always agree with what you write, but do in this case.
If free means not paying money, then this list is totally backwards.
But it depends what free means. Somalia, or other war-torn places where there is no law and order are the most free in the way "free" is usually used. Who's gonna stop you from J-walking in Mogadishu? Or buying a hundred kilos of ivory?
The list is more like: List of Most Lawful and Orderly Countries; Lawfulness permits a kind of freedom, but the list seems to me have missed a big part about what Free is. For example, Uzbekistan is at the bottom of the list, however, from the little I've heard and read, Uzbekis enjoy quite a few freedoms which are spurned in Europe or NZ, little regulated hunting, prostitution and hawking to name a few. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ariellowen wrote: |
But it depends what free means. Somalia, or other war-torn places where there is no law and order are the most free in the way "free" is usually used. Who's gonna stop you from J-walking in Mogadishu? Or buying a hundred kilos of ivory?
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Interesting point. I would say that it points to a definition of freedom that does not simply embrace the concept 'fewest restrictions.' I think the 'freedom' to buy ivory would knock you down on the list. I think the freedom to have your insurance agent pay you as your policy promised (could that be why the US is 16th?  ) would be an element of freedom.
License and freedom are somewhat different concepts, no? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Take Iceland though. What the heck will you do with all hat freedom anyway? What is there to do in Iceland anyway? Not much that I can think of. Im sure its a nice place to live, a boring one though. Alright for a week vacation. Now take Singapore. Where would you guys rather live? Singapore which will allow you to enjoy a high standard of living, exposure to a multicultural society, fantastic food, shopping in an interesting urban setting or Iceland? Id choose Sinngapore, which Im sure is far down the list. Id choose the US over any of those top 10, though I wouldnt choose the US as a place to live if given the choice. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Iceland. Much better salmon fishing |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| Iceland. Much better salmon fishing |
I hate fishing. Its one of the most pointless time wasters ever invented. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I simply answered your question.
I can see that by all the time you spend on this site, you are really concerned with doing productive things with your time. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
I simply answered your question.
I can see that by all the time you spend on this site, you are really concerned with doing productive things with your time. |
dude, I taught from 8:50 to 2:10. Prepared until 3. Now its my downtime. Piss off. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Downtime and wasting time are not the same? Face it bud, you waste a lot of time on this site. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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I would certainly prefer to be wasting my time casting flies in a river filled with Altantic salmon.
But I find myself wasting my time on this board. It's pretty sad when you think about it. |
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ariellowen
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Now take Singapore. |
Interesting question, I was in Singapore the day before yesterday. By the criterion used for the list, Singapore might actually not be too far down from the top. However, if Cannabis Culture made a list of most free countries, of course Singapore would be way down near the bottom.
It really really depends on what sort of freedom one likes. I'd bet a lot of people would be happy to live in New Zealand. Myself, I wouldn't go all the way down there unless there were a very good reason. But each to their own as they say.
| Kuros wrote: |
| License and freedom are somewhat different concepts, no? |
I'd use the words License and Security myself, but I think it amounts to the same gist. I myself like a good amount of license, and feel street-wise enough that I'd forego some security in exchange for the freedoms I care about. But I doubt most people put smoking dope, exotic bustling environs, and unrestricted internet access right at the top of their lists. Some people put the freedom of elephants way up at the top. Others want academic and press freedoms. Others want economic freedoms. Some, good hospitals and quiet suburbs. Some, prayers five times a day on loud speakers. And so on and so on. God is not going to come down and decide this. So it's lucky to have a passport I guess. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| ariellowen wrote: |
| For example, Uzbekistan is at the bottom of the list, however, from the little I've heard and read, Uzbekis enjoy quite a few freedoms which are spurned in Europe or NZ, little regulated hunting, prostitution and hawking to name a few. |
Well yes, prostitution is present in Uzbekland. And hawking is pretty much a way of life for most people. In fact, you can probably do anything you want, as long as you're able to pay off the militsia. But people are usually so busy paying off the militsia to live their everyday lives, there's not a lot of soums left over for a having a good time. No European in his right mind would trade their freedoms for an Uzbeki's "freedom". |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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How's the salmon fishing in Uzbekistan?
In Mongolian, they have a 50kg freshwater salmonoid called The Taimen. I would gladly give up a year of internet accessibility to fish there for one full season.
I'm sure there are a few other "freedoms" I would forego as well. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| How's the salmon fishing in Uzbekistan? |
Uzbekistan is double land locked. Even if a salmon managed to make it to Uzbekland, I wouldn't let stevemcgarett eat it. Ever hear of the Aral Sea? |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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I don't want to go to Uzebekestan if the flyfishing is no good. Of course Mongolia is landlocked as well. Yes I would like to have my frredoms repressed in Mongolia while I try and hook meself a Taimen.
Hey. Where'd Jinju go? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| nowhere, just taking a break from this dumbassity |
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