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njp6

Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Location: Gangnam, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: Public School: Elementary vs. Middle School vs. High School |
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My contract will be up soon with my hagwon here, and after a long vacation in the states, I plan to come back to Korea and try for a public school job. I have experience teaching at almost all levels and ages in the states, but I don't really know what to expect in good old Korea. I know it's a rather vague question, but I'm wondering what the advantages and disadvantages are to teaching elementary, middle school and public school and which one of these y'all would recommend. Any advice/info is appreciated. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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I think i will only ever teach elementary because the kids are so much fun and never fail to cheer me up.
Middle schoolers are too sulky and adults too whiny by contrast And hogwons are just too out of control in any case. |
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mikowee

Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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If you're teaching high school be prepared for blank stares as a stock response to questions. My school is one of the lower level ones, so it may be different in a better school. |
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luvnpeas

Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Elementary school is a blast. The kids are mostly ultra cute and sweet. Mostly.
My guess is that what really matters is the other staff: your co-teacher, the principle and vice-principle. All things being equal, I find elementary pretty darn fun.
Oh, what also really matters is you: your temperament, the age you relate to best. Do you have a sense of that? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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I love children, so I like elementary. They are also easier to see progress in and make you feel better (on the most part). From a practical view, elementary school teacher technically work less, as the lessons are only 40 minutes long, while 50 in high schools. |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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mikowee wrote: |
If you're teaching high school be prepared for blank stares as a stock response to questions. My school is one of the lower level ones, so it may be different in a better school. |
Mine are Uni tracked-perhaps less as time goes by though.
Couple of classes-pretty good.Most are middling to poor.2 or 3 abysmal.
Ended a week of classes based on self-introductions.Couldn't feign interest by the end.I'd explain it 3-4 times,sentence by sentence,have it on the board,still had half the class utterly indifferent and clueless.
What do you do?Student.Arghhhhhhh.......WHAT KIND OF STUDENT !!!What are your hobbies.Computer......아이구........
Not difficult stuff after 5years of English at least,surely,but some students can make it that way for themselves.Well,actually,it's neither here nor there to them.They're not dumb,they just don't pay attention.The kids who stand out as odd actually do pretty good-they DO pay attention.
On the other hand I do have some great students but they're spread through most of the classes depending on their optional subject selections.
Discipline the spoilers in class.Start with random seating.Make sure they're facing the front.Try to remember things your teachers would do in HS to limit disruptiveness.I just give 2-3 warnings then tell them to get lost quite frankly.
MS are perhaps more malleable.they'll follow what's done quite happily-early MS that is. |
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dridgway

Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Location: Suwon, S. Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I teach in a public highschool and find it pretty good. No behaviour issues with the students and about 80% of them genuinely seem to be interested. The biggest issues I've ever had are the days when the students ALL seem to be asleep...can't blame them though, they work them to death. Apart from the sleepers the only problems I've ever had are 1 or 2 students who would rather fix their makeup than participate in the class, hardly disruptive. Mind you it's an all girls school, and a fairly strict one.
If I had to come up with complaints it would be a lack of organization and no curiculum whatsoever. That's only if I HAD to complain though, I love my job and feel pretty lucky to be there most of the time.
Strange how I felt obligated to complain there...have I been reading this site too much? |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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I have taught all ages. High school all the way (if they are in a good/rich area, anyway). |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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gsxr750r wrote: |
I have taught all ages. High school all the way (if they are in a good/rich area, anyway). |
With HS, are students selected according to where they live?Are they merely zoned as opposed to applying for a school?
If you're in a pretty flash neighbourhood-and on your old school website the grounds are good,almost decadent compared with the average Korean school-you're going to have a pretty good group of students.I mean,even if they don't much care to study,they'll have a wealth of experiences that the average student doesn't.
That they won't make up the difference with teachers and are still looking for one that was agreeable to the school where present ones seem not to be but they won't come up to the plate,seems absolutely farcical. |
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mikowee

Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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With HS, are students selected according to where they live?Are they merely zoned as opposed to applying for a school? |
My school administers an admissions test. Unfortunately, the number of applicants didn't quite reach the capacity of the school, rendering the exam useless. |
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gsxr750r

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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If you live in a richer suburb, a large number of students will be from well-to-do families who may value education more.
Students preference schools, and the gov't decides, based on what other than location, I don't know. The gov't tries its best to equalize the education here (that's why they shift public school teachers every 3 years, I believe) but that doesn't stop some schools from being better than others. The gov't has done its best to keep unis from ranking high schools here, as well. That was a huge issue recently (and probably still is). |
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luvnpeas

Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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gsxr750r wrote: |
they shift public school teachers every 3 year |
Five.
There is a movement to grade teachers. In fact, I cut out an article about it from the Korean Times, to use in my teacher conversation class. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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High schools vary incredibly from school to school, whereas middle schools tend to be at a similar level (i.e. a huge range of kids). I wouldn't really know about elementary as I hate very young children.
I teach at a combined middle / high school and generally love it. If you do go for a high school, try to avoid a technical or vocational HS unless you just want to be an English activities teacher. |
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QbertP

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in a two grade middle school. It's my first teaching job over here so I don't have a lot to compare it to but it sounds like a perfect mix of highschool and elementary. My first graders are always excited. My second graders vary greatly but other than 1st period where everyone wants to be in bed(myself included) they manage to keep the energy up. And if I have a bad 2nd grade class the 1st graders can always brighten my day.
Just a thought |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Totally depends on the school and your relationship with the school/admin.
I will have close to 3 and a half months off through the course of a year contract. That's partly because I put certain clauses in my contract, like "XXX does not have to come to school during exam periods."
I know other schools that try very hard to cultivate a good relationship with the teacher, mine does nothing for me unless I force them to. Both are middle schools, but completely different environment.
I think a better question to ask would be "how much time do you have off?" How long are your exam periods? Do you have to go during exams?
Those are the type of things you may want to consider. Age, obviously is another factor. Never underestimate the power of puberty.... |
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