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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
The bachelor's degree is the best way (short of an entrance exam) for immigration to verify who's qualified to teach and who's not. I've met a few people out here with degrees that certainly shouldn't be here, even humanities degrees such as psychology, but overall I think it's a cost-effective system for the Koreans and a fair one for foreigners. Just because you know English, it doesn't mean you can teach it. For the record, this doesn't apply to fields such as music, art, or even creative writing (a subset of English literature at most universities). |
Actually, a BEd/PGCE with a specialization in TEFL would be the best way for immigration to check. And for the humanity degrees, heck, they are usually the worse ones (it could be just that there are so many that they seem to be the worse ones due to pure numbers for teaching  ). But I do agree that while experience is always an asset, some sort of academic background is also needed. In a perfect world, there would be no need for any cut off point as everyone would be assessed individually. Unfortunately, this just isn't possible and Korea chose a bachelors degree as the cut off. Not a perfect choice, but not bad considering all the choices. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I think the charge of self interest is particularly damning if certain posters up thread ever claim to have the best interests of Korea at heart. They don't. |
But, but they have Korean wives~! That they sleep with every night! Of course they only want what's best for Korea! Even though Korea doesn't want them. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Why should a person want a country to "want" them or need to feel that everyone accepts them in order to be happy?
For petes sake...who cares what strangers think of you!
As for wanting the best for a country...thats a funny comment. I want whats best for my family and friends....whatever country they may be in or from... |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Another case of fraud is when all you ugly guys come over and marry a Korean girl so you can get the visa and have a slave woman cook and clean for you. Then you divorce her just when you want. That pisses me off.
I wish the F2 was only given out after he really did his time. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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A poster mentioned the hypocrisy of certain users up thread, although you will note that he wasn't brave enough to name names. The feeling is mutual. Here's why.
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I see you weren't brave enough to name names either... 
As regards the quote above, it's clear who is being hypocritical. No need to name names, besides which that is a good way to get your posts censored by the mods which detracts from the points you are trying to make.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
. (1)The posters up thread are out to protect their own economic niche by baring entry to others on the job market, and doing so by cheap talk on the internet.
(2) Essentially, a lot of the posts up thread are motivated people wanting to protect their own interests at the expense of overall good of Korean education.
(3) I think the charge of self interest is particularly damning if certain posters up thread ever claim to have the best interests of Korea at heart. They don't.
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1. You know it might be a good thing to check your posts and see that they make sense. There are no posters on this forum who have the power to bar anyone from the Korean job market. What a silly thing to say. Cheap talk on the Internet is not going to affect it one way or the other. Do you really think that Immigration officials care about what posters on Dave's think?
2. . As long as that is the law, that is the way it is. If Immigration changed the law...I would have no problem with it at all. I am merely pointing out that when in a foreign country one should follow the law. If someone breaks the law, they deserve no sympathy whatsoever. And if someone is breaking the law in my profession and thereby tarring all of us, then again no sympathy.
3. When have I made this claim? I've said it was the law. I think it is particularly damming when certain posters claim to have real degrees yet advocate the breaking of the law by those with fake degrees. |
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jmbran11
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I have a genuine diploma I EARNED through the completion of required classwork.
Anyone who thinks they know more than me about an academic subject, (like English), just because they're "smart" enough to know how to get a fake diploma is SADLY mistaken. |
I always find these arguments so silly. At my university, it was the education majors who were widely known to choose that major because it was particularly easy (or they couldn't meet the requirements of other majors). The idea that they would necessarily be better teachers (or people) because they managed to graduate is ridiculous. University is not that difficult. I'm tired of people putting themselves on a pedestal because they accomplished something so simple. And, guess what - you don't need to know that much about English to fill many teaching jobs here in Korea, particularly for young children. But, it does take some skill to be an engaging personality with passion and patience (I forget, what class do they teach that in?).
So, if someone is able to get a diploma for a small fee and get the same job I have - and I spent several years of my life and a small fortune for my education - who is really "smarter"? |
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Vollrath
Joined: 29 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Another case of fraud is when all you ugly guys come over and marry a Korean girl so you can get the visa and have a slave woman cook and clean for you. Then you divorce her just when you want. That pisses me off.
I wish the F2 was only given out after he really did his time. |
dumdum: the F2 is valid for only a year at a time at first. trust me. i'm one of those "ugly guys" who happens to cook a lot more than my wife does. |
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