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Impeachment: It's starting. Do Americans have the guts?
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NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

Information is information. You may do with it as you will. I did not misrepresent the poll. To cast aspersions is pointless and foolish.

When will you get over yourself? 1. Your not even American. You have the faintest of idea of how Americans exepcially politicians think. This wet dream of a Bush impeachment isnt going to come true, and when Bush serves out his full term and isnt impeached, the Daves community can look back and say "damn..EFL was full of it as usual"
2. Your not American, yet you try and present yoruself as one for freedom, truth, justice etc, and you picked the US administration to harp on, as if it were the worlds worst.
yet for someone who tries to act so just and good, why arent you ranting about North Koreas concentration camps, saudia arabias horrific human rights, irans quest to destroy Israel, The Sudanese governments activities in Darfur.. there are so many more evil thigns in the world yet you choose to try and potray us in that lght

oh and your wrong dumbass.. 65% percent of Americans dont disagree with me.
I said in my post Bush wasnt perfect, but not the worst, and not a tyrant, to which you replied
"65 % of americans disagree with you"
Really? Where is the Poll showing 655% of america thinks Bush is the worst, and a tyrant?
Cant produce one? didnt think so. Why dont you go live in a isolated Area on PEI and dont bother anyone.

2ndly, NO american politician is going to risk so much so close to election, and certainly not in the situation we are in.
Its common sense.
Because its a huge gamble depending on how it were to turn out for those involved. Its a career maker or breaker.

Plus, like ive said many times before, any impeachment trial would outlast Buashs term: IE: a waste of time. Bush wouldnt even be president by the time there was a verdict due to the extreme amount of data there would be to go through.
It would be the waste of time, what would be the point of having a trial tod etermine if you should throw the president out of office if by the end of said trial he would be out of office anyway?
with all the problems we have people have better things to do.

Somethng you cant udnerstand because your anti bush enthnocentric vision wont let you see past it.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

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EFLtrainer wrote:

Information is information. You may do with it as you will. I did not misrepresent the poll. To cast aspersions is pointless and foolish.

When will you get over yourself? 1. Your not even American.

You're an idiot. If you can't even get that right, wtf should anyone listen to you?

NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:35 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

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EFLtrainer wrote:

Information is information. You may do with it as you will. I did not misrepresent the poll. To cast aspersions is pointless and foolish.

When will you get over yourself? 1. Your not even American.

You're an idiot. If you can't even get that right, wtf should anyone listen to you?

Your not. Your canadian.

next point?

NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:38 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

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EFLtrainer wrote:

Information is information. You may do with it as you will. I did not misrepresent the poll. To cast aspersions is pointless and foolish.

When will you get over yourself? 1. Your not even American.

You're an idiot. If you can't even get that right, wtf should anyone listen to you?

Oh and on the question, because I'm right, anything that anyone with an inkling of common sense can see. wDislike or like Bush, the fact still is any impeachment trial at this point would outlast the president's term and be a by and large waste of time.
2ndly, politicians are so concerned with self preservation many wuldn't risk something so bold in this prearious situation, and 3rdly, again, 65% of Americans dislike Bush, how ever those same 65% dont necessarily think Bush is a tyrant or the worlds worst leader.
And as I said before, you never seem to complain in regards to the much more atrocious things other governments do.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:11 am Post subject:

NAVFC wrote:

Oh and on the question, because I'm right, anything that anyone with an inkling of common sense can see.

This certainly is a bizarre little game. I really can't figure it out. Am I supposed to be offended at being called Canadian? Or, am I supposed to have no standing because I am supposedly Canadian? Or, am I supposedly diminished in some way because I am supposedly Canadian?

This is one of the more bizarre little on-line fetishes I've ever seen.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:12 am Post subject:

NAVFC wrote:

65% of Americans dislike Bush, how ever those same 65% dont necessarily think Bush is a tyrant or the worlds worst leader.

Actually, they pretty much do.

NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:18 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

NAVFC wrote:

65% of Americans dislike Bush, how ever those same 65% dont necessarily think Bush is a tyrant or the worlds worst leader.

Actually, they pretty much do.

You have a poll to back that up or is that another one of your assumptions you make?

No onwe really thinks Bush is the worlds worst leader. Again, so many more worse then him, truly evil people, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe, Putin, etc.

NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:21 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

NAVFC wrote:

Oh and on the question, because I'm right, anything that anyone with an inkling of common sense can see.

You being Canadian means you have no clue how the American politicians really think or act or how Americans do for this matter. Otherwise, you would understand that no politician is going to risk his career for a impeachment trial, that by the time that it reaches a verdict, the President would be gone anyway. Again, why hold a trial to determine if your going to fire the president, when the President will be long gone before such a trial concludes? What a waste of energy, tax pay money, and time!

And the fact that you are canadian, yet chose to paint the US government as a uber evil entitty, when we have North Korea with its concentration camps and dictatorial society, SUdan's government in genocide, Iran seeking to annihilate Israel,
Yet the US is the nation that attracts your disain. its nonsense, really.

NAVFC

Joined: 10 May 2006

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:27 am Post subject:

Also its foolish when you, Not an American, are trying to claim you know the Americna people so well to say that Americans believe Bush is a tyrant and the worlds worst leader. This is farther from the truth, and something you couldnt know. You neednt look far for worse leaders, as examples I gave.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:36 am Post subject:

NAVFC wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

NAVFC wrote:

65% of Americans dislike Bush, how ever those same 65% dont necessarily think Bush is a tyrant or the worlds worst leader.

Actually, they pretty much do.

Yeah... there are soooo many responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, the gutting of one of the greatest political documents in history, etc....

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:37 am Post subject:

NAVFC wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

NAVFC wrote:

65% of Americans dislike Bush, how ever those same 65% dont necessarily think Bush is a tyrant or the worlds worst leader.

Actually, they pretty much do.

Actually, I do somewhere... I've read numerous articles and read numerous comments from people stating they believe Bush will go down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:57 am Post subject:

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[quote="NAVFC"]

EFLtrainer wrote:

NAVFC wrote:

Oh and on the question, because I'm right, anything that anyone with an inkling of common sense can see.

You being Canadian means you have no clue how the American politicians really think or act or how Americans do for this matter.

You do realize this is pathological, right? Is Bush being your saint so important to you that having an American tell you the Bush Cadre is a stinking pile of bile just too much for you?

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Otherwise, you would understand that no politician is going to risk his career for a impeachment trial,

Funny, I don't remember ever stating it was likely to succeed. We Americans have become stupid and lazy. (Empires always rot from within, no?) But, IF WE DON'T impeach Bush and others, you can kiss our days as THE super power goodbye at a highly accelerated rate.

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the President would be gone anyway.

Ah, but, this is the first person subject to impeachment who has already admitted being guilty. Culd be a damned short trial.

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Again, why hold a trial to determine if your going to fire the president, when the President will be long gone before such a trial concludes?

Now, you've not read my previous posts. Go read them, or I'll send you home with a spanking.

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What a waste of energy, tax pay money, and time!

Sooooo much more so than that silly unjust, unprovoked, illegal and immoral war...

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And the fact that you are canadian,

Please define fact. You don't seem to understand the word.

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yet chose to paint the US government as a uber evil entitty,

Did I? I thought I had only painted the Bush Cadre that way...

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when we have North Korea with its concentration camps

and us with ours!!! Let's DO have a party!!

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and dictatorial society,

Poor Bush, having to cut through all the red tape of that silly Bill of Rights... 6 down, four to go!!

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SUdan's government in genocide,

I knew we'd agree on something...

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Iran seeking to annihilate Israel,

I'm not so sure that's Iran as much as Amadhijinebad... or whatever his crazy self is...

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Yet the US is the nation that attracts your disain. its nonsense, really.

Tell me, if your mother was on drugs, what would you do, idiot?

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:58 am Post subject:

NAVFC wrote:

Also its foolish when you, Not an American, are trying to claim you know the Americna people so well to say that Americans believe Bush is a tyrant and the worlds worst leader. This is farther from the truth, and something you couldnt know.
You neednt look far for worse leaders, as examples I gave.

How many logical fallacies exist in that one, short paragraph? Someone from the debate team, do tell...

Oh, and when your premise is fucked from the start, well...

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject:

52 warnings to airports before 9/11 Yet, Rice claims there was no way to anticipate... Publication of this report, from the 9/11 commission, was delayed till after the 2004 elections though it came out in August 2004.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject:

Criminal Acts

PDF of the report: Mandanici Report

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President George W. Bush and senior members of his Administration made, or were complicit in making, false and fraudulent public statements that Iraq had sought uranium for a nuclear weapon. Five of the statements were made in January 2003 prior to the start of the war in Iraq to scare Congress so that it would not repeal or modify its earlier resolution that authorized President Bush to start the war. President Bush made two statements in documents that he gave to Congress and violated the criminal statute 18 U.S.C. � 1001 that prohibits making false and fraudulent statements to Congress. President Bush and the other officials by their conduct also violated the criminal statute 18 U.S.C. � 371 that prohibits conspiring to defraud Congress, which includes conspiring to obstruct its functions. As demonstrated in this report, said crimes of lying to Congress and obstructing its functions on a matter as serious as war are certainly impeachable offenses.

At the end of this report are articles of impeachment against President Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney based on their involvement in the false and fraudulent uranium claims. This report is similar to a report that the House Judiciary Committee might issue recommending impeachment based on the commission of said crimes. Based on this report, a Member of Congress should file said or similar articles of impeachment. Furthermore, House rules allow citizens to petition Congress and to submit a resolution incorporating articles of impeachment, which a Member of Congress can then formally submit even if the Member is personally opposed to impeachment. As an alternative first step toward impeachment Congressional committees could hold oversight hearings on the false and fraudulent uranium claims that the Administration made to Congress. Also said committees or individual Members of Congress could request the Justice Department to appoint an outside Special Counsel.

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