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Seongnam - like Korea a decade ago?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Seongnam - like Korea a decade ago? Reply with quote

I'm in Seongnam, between Bundang and southeast Seoul. It's like Korea in 1998 here. Only been here 2 weeks, have not seen a white person in the neighborhood yet, though 20 minutes or so on the subway is like going to the future. It seems strange how it's rather different and looks like older, more traditional Korea here, sandwiched between more modern areas.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a year there myself.

Yeah. Seongnam seems to have accepted it's role as Bundang's ugly sister. Just the lack of hagwons in the place indicates that there isn't a lot of money about. It's like a defeatist attitude. 'We don't live in Bundang so we won't share in the new dynamic Korea'.

But, three is nothing like eating at night around Moran and watching the drunken ajeossi's fight while the delicate aroma of the dog-market wafts over the table!! Good times......
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moran, Moran, Moran. Moran has it all.
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I did a year there myself.

Yeah. Seongnam seems to have accepted it's role as Bundang's ugly sister. Just the lack of hagwons in the place indicates that there isn't a lot of money about. It's like a defeatist attitude. 'We don't live in Bundang so we won't share in the new dynamic Korea'.

But, three is nothing like eating at night around Moran and watching the drunken ajeossi's fight while the delicate aroma of the dog-market wafts over the table!! Good times......

Ah I miss Seongnam. Sujeong-Gu 4 lyfe.

jajdude, you know the town is infested with hookers and gangsters right?
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
eamo wrote:
I did a year there myself.

Yeah. Seongnam seems to have accepted it's role as Bundang's ugly sister. Just the lack of hagwons in the place indicates that there isn't a lot of money about. It's like a defeatist attitude. 'We don't live in Bundang so we won't share in the new dynamic Korea'.

But, three is nothing like eating at night around Moran and watching the drunken ajeossi's fight while the delicate aroma of the dog-market wafts over the table!! Good times......

Ah I miss Seongnam. Sujeong-Gu 4 lyfe.

jajdude, you know the town is infested with hookers and gangsters right?


Clearly I've got my next holiday destination
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is amazing how going from Yatap to Moran, one stop away, puts you in a different time. I worked a part time job at Taepyeong for a while and I couldn't believe how ghetto is was, and then I scurried back home to Sunae dong. I guess what is even stranger is that it is the same city, but the city doesn't seem to care about the "Seongnam" part. Long live Bundang. Very Happy
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
It is amazing how going from Yatap to Moran, one stop away, puts you in a different time. I worked a part time job at Taepyeong for a while and I couldn't believe how ghetto is was, and then I scurried back home to Sunae dong. I guess what is even stranger is that it is the same city, but the city doesn't seem to care about the "Seongnam" part. Long live Bundang. Very Happy


Whats Moran like anyway? I always meant to go down there but never got around to it.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moran has a traditional market. It is nothing special but you can see dogs live in cages (and dead ones on top) for the making of dog meat soup. It is worth one look.

If you know Korean people in Seongnam, it can be a fun place. Definately a seedy place if you know what is going on, otherwise it looks like any other place in Korea.

It is not very old. Park Chunghee, the famous 70s dictator, decided to clean up Seoul so all the nefarious types (prostitutes, etc...) were "relocated" to Seongnam. You can still see signs of this infamous beginning but there are plenty of middle class types too.

There are also a number of small factories and 3-D workers from all over Asia there too. There is a special immigration house there to house and care for many of the lost souls. It is also worth a visit. I went there once and I was shown the urns of all the people who had died but didn't have money to get their remains back to their home countries -- very eerie (sp?).

Namhansan is a good place to take a hike and kill some time. Sometimes historical dramas are filmed there.

Enjoy Seongnam!
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
Moran has a traditional market. It is nothing special but you can see dogs live in cages (and dead ones on top) for the making of dog meat soup. It is worth one look.

If you know Korean people in Seongnam, it can be a fun place. Definately a seedy place if you know what is going on, otherwise it looks like any other place in Korea.

It is not very old. Park Chunghee, the famous 70s dictator, decided to clean up Seoul so all the nefarious types (prostitutes, etc...) were "relocated" to Seongnam. You can still see signs of this infamous beginning but there are plenty of middle class types too.

There are also a number of small factories and 3-D workers from all over Asia there too. There is a special immigration house there to house and care for many of the lost souls. It is also worth a visit. I went there once and I was shown the urns of all the people who had died but didn't have money to get their remains back to their home countries -- very eerie (sp?).

Namhansan is a good place to take a hike and kill some time. Sometimes historical dramas are filmed there.

Enjoy Seongnam!


Seongnam sounds like the place to be then. I like those sorts of places. Well, not to live but to photograph. Whats the subway stop?
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
eamo wrote:
I did a year there myself.

Yeah. Seongnam seems to have accepted it's role as Bundang's ugly sister. Just the lack of hagwons in the place indicates that there isn't a lot of money about. It's like a defeatist attitude. 'We don't live in Bundang so we won't share in the new dynamic Korea'.

But, three is nothing like eating at night around Moran and watching the drunken ajeossi's fight while the delicate aroma of the dog-market wafts over the table!! Good times......

Ah I miss Seongnam. Sujeong-Gu 4 lyfe.

jajdude, you know the town is infested with hookers and gangsters right?


I put in my year in Moran.Hard yards.

Bundangers look down on the place as having been "settled" by people from Cheolla-do who were too poor to set up in Seoul,whereas Bundangers were rich enough to get out of Seoul.

Around Moran station it's just cheap looking room salons (that advertise for low prices)2-cha,don't know-just going by what they put up on those inflatable billboard things,love motels,da bangs galore.

If you want to organise a tryst and don't anyone to know,Moran is the place to do it!

Being in a valley,the air was never that great except on windswept days.There's always the farmers market for dog and stuff.

Occasionally I'd see a westerner there-only on 3 occasions.1 guy looking for the market,1 couple pushing a pram-I was like,wtf??,and a guy sipping a beer and looking thoroughly unimpressed.

There ain't much to do there.Occasionally I'd pop out for a beer and sit outside.Never felt dangerous-just kinda grimy.

Yatab-a different world.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter summed it up nicely.

Get off at Moran station, or transfer and go one station on line 8, but I just can't remember the stop right now. The Moran area is a Mecca for the over 100 crowd Shocked
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that's exactly how I felt when I moved to Seongnam from Apgujeong, like being in a time-warp. I love this place, people are cool and not uptight like in Gangnam, everything is cheap (two bedroom apartment for 300,000 won/month for the win!), I can get lots of Chinese stuff easily and its a hell of a lot more colorful than Seoul Smile And its not too bad of a commute in to Seoul for work and whatnot (18,000 won taxi ride from itaewon isn't too bad).

Moran, except for the traditional market, one of the more upscaleish bits. Over where I am by taepyeong station it gets very poor once you get off the main streets.

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people from Cheolla-do who were too poor to set up in Seoul,

That's my in-laws. Great people Smile Would take a bullet for me, far better people to deal with than most of the parents of my friends Seoulite gfs.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, but Seongnam is like the Jeollanam-do of the future.

I kind of liked visiting Taepyeong. A nice market there that connected to Moran. It was always nice to get away from the staleness of Migeum/Bundang, and go an entire night without seeing another white face.

That said, I wouldn't necessarily want to live there. The people I've talked to who had to live there have done nothing but complain about their accommodations. Moran gave me the creeps, as basically the entire area is a product of the sex industry.
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
It is amazing how going from Yatap to Moran, one stop away, puts you in a different time. I worked a part time job at Taepyeong for a while and I couldn't believe how ghetto is was, and then I scurried back home to Sunae dong. I guess what is even stranger is that it is the same city, but the city doesn't seem to care about the "Seongnam" part. Long live Bundang. Very Happy


SUNAE-DONG?

(sungnam sucks... but i would call it "dynamic korea")
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saxiif wrote:
That's my in-laws. Great people Smile Would take a bullet for me


So...why wouldnt you take that bullet yourself?
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