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Demophobe
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 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I will go with the better product.
Intel have released a fine product with the Core2Duo line. I too expect AMD to come back with something strong and have no doubt they are heading to a 4 core solution. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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But multi-core chips don't help the gamer. What will there be for the gamer? Gamers need high-clock speeds for one application (the game). Will there be a high clock speed gaming chip from either company? Or will we all have to multi-task all the time to get the worth out of our multi-cores?
.........poor gamers......  |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
But multi-core chips don't help the gamer. What will there be for the gamer? Gamers need high-clock speeds for one application (the game). Will there be a high clock speed gaming chip from either company? Or will we all have to multi-task all the time to get the worth out of our multi-cores?
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It's all avout the coding. Soon games will use multi-threaded coding, as soon as the industry feels that the majority of users have bought into a multi-core CPU. The devs will always follow the money, and that is usually in mainstream.
Folks like Id and Crysis...well, they are not really mainstream and don't mind marginalizing people with average rigs.
I think there will be multi-core ready games around in Q4 of this year. STALKER is just over the hill now....it has actually been shipped for production. I wonder....? Gorgeous game.... |
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mack the knife
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| AMD is hurting, and it is being reported everywhere. Maybe they'll bounce back, and maybe they won't. I wouldn't be buying their stock right now. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Just read it. Now that is insane! Imagine what that team could do with the new quad core extreme series!  |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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xtremesystems.org/forums/
The ultimate insaneness. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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AMD will release something this year or next year to compete with INTELS duo 2 core and quad core. Just so they can get even market share!. so im sure we will see 2 core and quad core processors by AMD by the end of the year or early next year!
and then again it will just come back down to preference!
it will be suicide for AMD to not bring out 2 core or quad core processors to compete with INTEL. so expect it real soon.. I doubt they will come out with a product that beats INTEL right now. I think right now they will just want to compete and gain back market share!
I still prefer intel! |
I read the AMD X2 5200+ is comparable to the Intel 6400 (slightly better). Both are priced at about 220 000won here in Korea. So, it's not as if AMD is lagging far behind. I'm thinking about upgrading my own computer, and I'm split between those two CPUs. |
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gsxr750r
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
Just read it. Now that is insane! Imagine what that team could do with the new quad core extreme series! |
Oddly, if you read down the list of articles about this OC, you'll see that they aren't able to OC the new dual and quad chips very much, like these older single-cores.
They show the top records for all, and the dual/quad cores don't even come close to this OC.
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According to overclocking-team-switzerland.com, previous Intel CPU-based overclocking records include:
1. Entsafter - 5991.65 mhz - Pentium 4 'D' [email protected] - Intel Pentium D 950 @ 5991.65, Liquid Nitrogen
2. Duke - 5910 mhz - Pentium 4 640@5910mhz - Pentium 641 @ 5910MHz, Vapochill LS
3. Dogimann - 5413 mhz - Pentium 4 'D' 945@5413mhz - Pentium 4 D 945 @ 5413MHz, Vapochill LS@1,63V-Core
4 los lendos - 4953 mhz - Pentium 4 'D' 945@4953mhz - Pentium 945 @ 4953MHZ, OCZ 667@745MHz 4-4-4-8-20
5. splmann - 4860 mhz - Intel Core 2 E6700 (2.66Ghz)@4860mhz - E6700ES @ 4.860GHz, Mushkin @ 486 Mhz 5-6-6-18
6. Agent-Orange - 4471 mhz - Pentium 4 'D' 945@4471mhz - no description
7. Tazzler - 4307 mhz - Pentium 4 511J@4307mhz - Pentium 4 511 @ 4307MHz, water cooled
8. 0verl0ad - 3895.97 mhz - Intel Core 2 L7400 (1.5Ghz)@3895.97mhz - Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 @ 3895.97MHz vcore 1.55v, Asus P5B, water cooled
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| AMD is hurting, and it is being reported everywhere. Maybe they'll bounce back, and maybe they won't. I wouldn't be buying their stock right now. |
AMD will bounce back. The barrier to entry is too huge in the CPU market for them to fold. This is just conjecture, as I know little about economics, but they are set up and there will always be a market for AMD products. They will remain competitive.
AMD and ATI have always been a step behind Intel and Nvidia, with occasional leaps forward for a cycle or two. I do think that AMDs next offering will be strong and perhaps most importantly, competitive price-wise.
We should thank our stars for AMD and ATI, as they are the only competition for Intel and Nvidia. I'm not convinced that the two biggies would start gouging if there were no competition, but as I said, the barriers to entry are so high, we won't be seeing another chip maker for a heck of a long time.
Intel are a very solid company and their R&D is at once both lazy and innovative. I am not a fan of multi-core design, as it is a sideways step, skirting the real issues brought up by the limitations of silicon. I think multi-core is an obstacle to real innovation in chip technology.
Nvidias next architecture will be interesting in this way. It seems to me that they are now flat against the wall. Their chip is an absolute power pig and generates a lot of heat. Will they move to a multi-GPU solution? What are their options? A die shrink? Sure, but that will not take them down to the level that they need to go.
While Intel is obsessed with power consumption, heat and materials, Nvidia seem to be taking a far more irresponsible approach to their product. A 500 or 600 watt PSU?! That's absurd, but we grant them that because of gaming. It's ridiculous actually.
Multi-core is avoiding the issue and stunting the inevitable. Or is it? Is the future 10 cores? Nvidia needs to get busy working on power and heat issues. AMD/ATI need to get back in the game quickly, before people forget about them. Right now, prices are good from both Intel and Nvidia without any serious competition from ATI/AMD, so people will begin to assume brand loyalty to the former. This is a great concern in the tech market; most people don't know enough not to go with a name they have used before. Look at Linux. Nobody really wants to go into that uncharted territory, even though it is becoming a user-friendly, mainstream product. The same theory applies to chips. People know Intel and Nvidia and trust them. ATI was gaining trust; they made strong products and got it together with their driver support, but that is slipping away. AMD is the same; a kicker with the 64+ line, but then a long silence with a few empty offerings. Underdog status may not pay the bills.
Anyhow, here's to AMD and ATI, hoping they can come back strong. They would do well to disregard the trend set by Nvidia or the 6 month cycle and put out products that are kicking and ready.
Funny how Intel and Nvidia have made a few serious mistakes, but nobody says much. When AMD or ATI cough up something lacking, people go nuts and nail them down. The 5800 fiasco from Nvidia (lies, tampering, neglect) was absolutely slimy and underhanded as one could be in business. Intel and their goofs; Prescott, Willamette, the first 2 core designs, the 1.13GHz P3s...all were insulting.
Ramble on....we'll see, I guess. Sorry for the long post. If you made it this far, I will try to refund you time with silence. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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In any case, AMD probably will be around for a while as they have a strong product and little competition.
Again, now is not the time to buy their stock (wait a month or two, and then buy low low low!) |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| So, what is the best buy right now, AMD or Intel? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Intel. |
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mack the knife
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The best buy right now for stocks, or product? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Right now? Intel. |
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