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84,000 Canadian Muslims Support Terrorism Against Canada
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im Canadian and it always makes me emberassed when another Canadian brings up the war of 1812 as if it had anything to do with Canada which, if you study your history, didnt even exist for about half a century after 1812. It was a war between Britain and the US. Canada had shit all to do with it.

Freethought, stop making Canadians look like morons.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:

I'll start with your most recent post. The US couldn't beat the dominion of Canada in the war of 1812. They lost the white house.


*beep* shit *beep* dick *beep* bitch *beep* *beep*.

Ugh. Canadians. Fucking intolerable.

Ugh.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
The US couldn't beat the dominion of Canada in the war of 1812. They lost the white house.


Oh yeah, more pedantics. Sorry, Mindmetoo. You know, precision and accuracy and all (wait...no, I guess you would not).

In any case, Freethought -- and apparantly quite a few smug Canadian nationalists as well -- are off on at least three major points here:

(a) as already mentioned multiple times, America and Britain fought in the 1812 War;

(b) also as already mentioned multiple times, "the Dominion of Canada" could not have fought in the 1812 War; and

(c) the White House did not become "white" until after the 1812 War, when Madison painted it white to whitewash the smoke damage -- that is after the British had burned it.

Indeed, the 1812 War gave America many of its most salient nationalist symbols: not only the White House but more myth concerning Jackson and Francis Scott Keys's "Star-Spangled Banner."

Thanks, Britain.
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just glad that New Zealand doesn't have any rubbish like this to argue about endlessly with the Australians (apart from some controversial sports results).
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think an apology from Canada is in order.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to start a new thread about muslims, so I'll just post this here...

I've often said that I fear muslims are forming a parallel society. Here is the situation in Germany.

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A Parallel Muslim Universe

By Andrea Brandt and Cordula Meyer

Germany's Muslim population is becoming more religious and more conservative. Islamic associations are fostering the trend, particularly through their work with the young -- accelerating the drift towards a parallel Muslim society.

Surveys in the country have charted a significant increase in fundamentalist attitudes, particularly among younger Muslims. The experiences of Ekin Delig�z, a member of the German parliament representing the Green Party, underscore the potential dangers. Having called on Muslim women to remove their headscarves, Delig�z faced death threats and now receives police protection.

Disturbing as this trend may be, it cannot be pinned exclusively on Muslim groups. Under the guise of religious tolerance, German society stood blithely by as some parts of its Muslim communities began turning into parallel societies. For years, the country's courts have been excusing Muslim girls from coed swimming lessons and class outings - citing the most absurd reasons for their rulings.

In the following years, the German courts stuck to their guns. In another regional case, the judges had to decide whether a class excursion was mandatory for a Muslim girl. In their ruling of 2002, they parroted the language of a fatwa issued two years previously. The former chairman of the Islamic Religious Community in Hesse had stipulated that a Muslim woman not accompanied by a mahram, a male blood relative, must not stray more than 50 miles from her home - because this is the distance a caravan of camels can travel in 24 hours.

Camels are something of an anomaly on the German autobahn these days. Sympathetic judges nonetheless recommended sending the 15-year-old brother along as a mahram. Given her fear of losing her headscarf or violating other religious laws, the schoolgirl's condition, they argued, was comparable to that of a "partially mentally handicapped person." She therefore needed somebody to accompany her; otherwise, she should not be forced to take part in the trip, they reasoned.

It is a long, but good read.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,467360,00.html
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not commenting on BJ's newest post but just clarifying about the posts above it.

You people are unbelievably simple minded.

Here's the clarification:

I said dominion of Canada rather than saying the following: Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Nova scotia, New Brunswick and New foundland. Why did I say, dominion of Canada? Because it's f-ing easier and clearer than writing that big long list you dumb twats.

2. America and britain. Yes, they fought, but for most of the war British regular forces number around 5000, and do you know where those 5000 were from? CANADA. The places I mentioned above. It was troops from what was to become 'canada'. If we want to be this anal, I don't want to hear a god damned thing about American history prior to January 14th, 1784, since prior to then, technically the US didn't exist. If you want to be anal, we can be f-ing anal.

3. the white house 'not being white'.... just shut up. Everyone knows what was meant, and I was aware of that, but in textbooks and major research papers it's essentially uniformly called THE WHITE HOUSE.

Someone else brought up the case of military might.... well, the US had about half a million troops at it's disposal between regulars, militiamen and indian tribes. The brits had a force roughly 1/10 that size. The key part of the british war effort was the naval blockade.

Then there were the retarded analogies (the japs got beat by Korea), which isn't even close. Forces from the Canada's comprised most of the fighting force for the majority of the war. Yes, there was the naval blockade/warfare which also proved decisive, but all those who keep saying 'canada' did nothing while accusing me of not knowing history need to have their heads checked.

man you people are dense.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember, when I was in Korea, when some newbi from Ont. would sit down at a table with a diverse group of expats and instantly jump into a series of sentences that start "in Canada", or, "unlike in America". All at the table would roll their eyes. Another Canadian.

I'm sure I even did it when I arrived. We are programmed to do it. Freethought, you're not even fighting an uphill battle. Your facing a wall of people are are so throughly annoyed with preachy Canadians that they will not accept your ramblings about a war 200 years ago as even slightly serious.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your facing a wall of people are are so throughly annoyed with preachy Canadians that they will not accept your ramblings about a war 200 years ago as even slightly serious.


Just becaused they're annoyed, not because its not true or accurate. Ahh the sounds of right-wing nutbars and Canada haters (i.e. Canadians who wanted to move south but were rejected cause all they got is a BA).
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your assessment, BJ, but I also think your statement/being right demonstrates two things: the first is that my simple minded comment stands, and the second is that American arrogance and ignorance of other nations remains a big reason why resentment of Americans exists.

In any case, I'm willing to drop this whole thread, and i had actually stopped following it, but saw that it was back near the top of the list again so I took a peak.

Anyway, BJ, you're right in that that article is a pretty interesting read.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavius Hite wrote:
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Your facing a wall of people are are so throughly annoyed with preachy Canadians that they will not accept your ramblings about a war 200 years ago as even slightly serious.


Just becaused they're annoyed, not because its not true or accurate. Ahh the sounds of right-wing nutbars and Canada haters (i.e. Canadians who wanted to move south but were rejected cause all they got is a BA).


The discussion about that war is so bloody pointless and absurd that only a hyper-nationalistic Canadian could even want to drag people into a discussion about it.

But those who hate the silly nationalism of Canadians must be "right-wing nutbars" and "Canada haters". It is really amazing to me how people adopt totalitarian means to stop discussion. Criticize American foreign policy, you are anti-American. Criticize Canadian nationalism, you are a "Canada hater". Criticize islam, you are "islamophobic". All of which are designed to stop discussion and refocus the discussion towards if even discussing the topic is valid.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But those who hate the silly nationalism of Canadians


Hate?

I never said the discussion should stop, but again I wasn't the one who started the craziness and totalitarian measures. Look to stevemcgarret and others for all that. He started all this by denigrading the good people of the CF (of who 2 are my family members and are fighting the actual war on terror in Afghanistan) I was just reminding him that whenever they have been called upon they have kicked ass and taken names.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If we want to be this anal, I don't want to hear a god damned thing about American history prior to January 14th, 1784, since prior to then, technically the US didn't exist. If you want to be anal, we can be f-ing anal.


If someone were to say something like "can you believe those Americans were hanging witches in Salem in the 17th Century", I think I would have a problem with that, since the accused in those trials were being tried and hung under the authority of English law.

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I said dominion of Canada rather than saying the following: Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Nova scotia, New Brunswick and New foundland. Why did I say, dominion of Canada? Because it's f-ing easier and clearer than writing that big long list you dumb twats.


It might be the easier thing to say, but I don't know is it really the correct thing to say. The word "dominion" is almost always applied exclusively to Canada Canada post-1867. I don't think I've ever heard it used to describe Upper Canada, Lower Canada, etc.

In any event, the historically accurate thing to say would have been that the US got beat by the British in the War Of 1812.


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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and one more thing...

Freethought wrote:

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Then there were the retarded analogies (the japs got beat by Korea),


As the person who made that analogy, I would like to point out that Freethought is not quoting me when he uses the word "Jap" to describe the Japanese. I referred to the country as "Japan", and the people as "Japanese". Why he has chosen to resort to racial slurs in his posts, I do not care to speculate.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavius Hite wrote:
He started all this by denigrading the good people of the CF (of who 2 are my family members and are fighting the actual war on terror in Afghanistan) I was just reminding him that whenever they have been called upon they have kicked ass and taken names.


So, it's OK to ridicule the American military, but not the Canadians? Rolling Eyes
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