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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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From TIME Magazine...
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| It's hard to tell what the Pentagon's objective really is in releasing the transcript of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession. It certainly suggests the Administration is trying to blame KSM for al-Qaeda terrorism, leading us to believe we've caught the master terrorist and that al-Qaeda, and especially the ever-elusive bin Laden, is no longer a threat to the U.S. |
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But there is a major flaw in that marketing strategy. On the face of it, KSM, as he is known inside the government, comes across as boasting, at times mentally unstable. It's also clear he is making things up. I'm told by people involved in the investigation that KSM was present during Wall Street Journal correspondent Danny Pearl's execution but was in fact not the person who killed him. There exists videotape footage of the execution that minimizes KSM's role. And if KSM did indeed exaggerate his role in the Pearl murder, it raises the question of just what else he has exaggerated, or outright fabricated.
Just as importantly, there is an absence of collateral evidence that would support KSM's story. KSM claims he was "responsible for the 9/11 operation from A-Z." Yet he has omitted details that would support his role. For instance, one of the more intriguing mysteries is who recruited and vetted the fifteen Saudi hijackers, the so-called "muscle." The well-founded suspicion is that Qaeda was running a cell inside the Kingdom that spotted these young men and forwarded them to al-Qaeda. KSM and al-Qaeda often appear bumbling, but they would never have accepted recruits they couldn't count on. KSM does not offer us an answer as to how this worked.
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite:
First, spare us the false lament. You relish in this sort of rumor, whether substantiated or not.
What's sadly predictable and pathetic is how you muster up the time and energy to express concern for a bonafide terrorist and to deploy that misdirected concern for yet another self-serving, reckless verbal rampage in a feeble attempt to malign another nation.
I used to like Canadians immensely but far too many of the posters to this board are beginning to make me think twice. A colleague of mine tells me that whenever he finds himself committing a cultural gaffe in Korea he always tells them he's from Canada (he's actually Australian). I might just start doing the same. Then again...
I've heard (unsolicited) from several long-timers (of different nationalities) in Korea who've often visited Itaewon in Seoul that by and large the most obnoxious and poorly dressed foreigners they usually encounter are not the American soldiers but expats teaching here, and especially younger Canadians. After half a year on these boards, I'm beginning to understand why. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| You relish in this sort of rumor, whether substantiated or not. |
You twit, its not a rumour, he was tortured. The US has confirmed this, he was waterboarded amongst other things after he was captured. Geez, I love how you just make stuff up. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Steve0 wrote
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| I've heard (unsolicited) from several long-timers (of different nationalities) in Korea who've often visited Itaewon in Seoul that by and large the most obnoxious and poorly dressed foreigners they usually encounter are not the American soldiers but expats teaching here, and especially younger Canadians. After half a year on these boards, I'm beginning to understand why. |
You see, I've heard, unsolicited, that it's americans who are the rudest, loudest and most obnoxious people. I'm sure someone else has heard it's the Irish, and others Scots, and the list can go on. That said, maybe the paragraph preceeding the one I quoted has some insight. Maybe these obnoxious Canadians are actually Americans claiming to be Canadians...
Last thing, you're inclusion of "poorly dressed" is extremely enlightening, and I say that because I don't really judge or care what other people wear, and I happen to agree with another great American (edited quote coming up) who said a person should "not be judged by what they wear, but the content of their character." And by this standard, I judge you to be a very lowly individual. (though I do recognize your return to at least using people's user names when addressing them.) |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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McGarette,
I wish you could hear yourself. I am come off as a pompous ass, but I mean to. You seem to take yourself seriously and I just wish you'd take the scissors and dewax kit to your ears, so indeed you'd hear the garbage you spout. Really pretendingness and flag waving, keep of list of xyz sympathizers, misreading of history.
Also, your own ego gets even more in the way.....your schooling has nothing to do with your own "education" , as I've said before and to boot, your aspirations of athletic acclaim that I've heard, are but pathetic, heart weak palpations.
You are the kind of guy who always wished he were John Wayne but only could come up to the knees of Walter Mitty...
End of my rant but you deserve it. Get a mirror and think of Wilde. Or from my Bartlett's, set in memory......
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| I think that God in creating McGarette, somewhat overestimated his ability. |
Oscar Wilde
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And for the record, I can't imagine anyone who'd be quizzing their friends in Itaewon in toney suits, who could ever equal you.......... |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Still no response about the fact that the US admitted to torturing this man. I guess there must be a faculty meeting at Talking out of your Ass University. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Hite Report:
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| You twit, its not a rumour, he was tortured. The US has confirmed this, he was waterboarded amongst other things after he was captured |
Oh, that. So what? Glad to hear it. No, really glad to hear it. And if the information they extracted has the potential to save even one person's life it was well worth it. No qualms whatsoever about it. This terrorist forfeited his right to be treated humanely years ago. And that's not said to provoke.
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| While you attack me for posting a story from one of the most important unfolding stories of our time, millions of young Muslims just got a lesson that the US will do to anything, including violating its own ethical code and constitution, to get what it wants. |
Oh, yeah right, like they needed provocation to resort to their Islamofascist tactics with the blessing of their imams in their indoctrinating madrasahs. Their hate breeds hate either way and has been doing so for many years. What turnip cart did you fall off?
See, the difference between you and me Octavious (besides the obvious one) is that I live in the real world where terrorists must be reckoned with by whatever means necessary while you live in the fantasy land that believes that terrorists play by the same rules and even if they don't, well, golly gee we shouldn't do anything untowards.
You and freethought and Dr. Porn and Dr. Double just keep sitting around smoking that peace pipe while the rest of us deal with harsh realities of these monsters in our midsts.
And please don't bore me with that drivel of how we need to maintain a higher plane of engagement lest we become like them or lose world respect. When the rest of the cozy world has to deal with what the Israelis and us deal with, then you can get on your high horse.
Until then, go blow smoke up someone else's butt. P.s. better to talking out one's rear end then to be sticking my nose in one.
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
You and freethought and Dr. Porn and Dr. Double just keep sitting around smoking that peace pipe while the rest of us deal with harsh realities of these monsters in our midsts.
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And by this you mean, like, invade the wrong countries and exponentially increase not only the annual number of terrorist attacks around the globe, but also foment discontent in key regions which actually produces hundreds, if not thousands of new terrorists?
I'll think I'll stick with the peace pipe, thank you very much. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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You twit, its not a rumour, he was tortured. The US has confirmed this, he was waterboarded amongst other things after he was captured. Geez, I love how you just make stuff up.
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Love to throw that word torture around don't you? I don't like waterboarding at all but there is something wrong when you get more upset about George Bush then with all the murdering and plotting this guy is guilty off....and the fact that there are tons more like him out there..but then again that's George's fault too..eh?
Jihadists must love you peace pipe smokers...They can wake up every morning and do as much killing as possible by sunset and you'll blame the US. president..How nice is that? |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Love to throw that word torture around don't you? I don't like waterboarding at all but there is something wrong when you get more upset about George Bush then with all the murdering and plotting this guy is guilty off....and the fact that there are tons more like him out there..but then again that's George's fault too..eh?
Jihadists must love you peace pipe smokers...They can wake up every morning and do as much killing as possible by sunset and you'll blame the US. president..How nice is that? |
no one has defended his actions on this board, or at least not on threads that I remember reading.
As for loving us pipe smokers 1. I think they probably love Dubya more than us, because we're not the ones invading countries and spurring on their movement of terror and death. 2. Had they NOT invaded Iraq and gone after a country that may actually have had something to do with terrorism, then maybe there wouldn't be 'tons more like him' out there... |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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freethought opined:
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| because we're not the ones invading countries and spurring on their movement of terror and death. |
You should change your username to "randomthought;" it suits you. Do you not understand that Al-Qaeda and its operatives in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan Saudi Arabia, the West Bank, Gaza, Egypt, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Philippines (i.e., mostly nations the U.S. hasn't invaded) is not going to end its reign of terror just because we decide to roll over and play dead? They believe they're on a holy crusade in the name of Allah and his prophet Mohammed. Osama bin Laden even wants the regime in the country of his birth to collapse.
So your point was made completely dull and moot years ago.
It's Wheel of Fortune: buy a vowel and get a clue. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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you're such a joke. You're proven wrong in just about every thread you chime in on and then you pick and choose snippets of other people's posts to attack, and most of the time even your selective rebutal backfires.
In your most recent post you essentially back up what I've said. You list a series of countries all of which have terrorist/Al qaeda cells, but you include Iraq, which DID NOT have Al Qaeda in it BEFORE the US INVADED. And I think that was my point, and it was the exact point I was making in the quote you prefaced your comment with.
BTW, still waiting to find out where you got all these wonderful degrees from and what they're in. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| First, spare us the false lament. You relish in this... |
Unfortunately, I must agree. Not only Octavius, but many others here.
Much like "the American Southern Enlightenment's" theorists, who showed not a little pleasure in denouncing the North's labor system not because they sincerely wanted reform and equality for the American working class but rather because they just wanted to discredit the North.
Most of us know the difference between legitimate, good-faith constructive criticism and an outright, sustained, bitter attack...
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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You list a series of countries all of which have terrorist/Al qaeda cells, but you include Iraq, which DID NOT have Al Qaeda in it BEFORE the US INVADED. And I think that was my point, and it was the exact point I was making in the quote you prefaced your comment with.
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take one truth and run with it then....it's George's fault Al Al Qaeda's there, they have no choice in the matter, it's not their fault, and how I wish they had Saddam and his sons back that be better....
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Much like "the American Souhtern Enlightenments'" theorists, who showed not a little pleasure in denouncing the North's labor system not because they sincerely wanted reform and equality for the American working class but rather because they just wanted to discredit the North.
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good stuff |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Much like "the American Southern Enlightenment's" theorists, who showed not a little pleasure in denouncing the North's labor system not because they sincerely wanted reform and equality for the American working class but rather because they just wanted to discredit the North.
Most of us know the difference between legitimate, good-faith constructive criticism and an outright, sustained, bitter attack... |
One, this post is vile and inaccurate.
Two, I guess these people are in the same boat then? John Stewart, keith Olbermann, http://www.crooksandliars.com/, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, hundreds if not thousands of AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS, thousands of protesters and organizers, Al Franken, Al Sharpton (I wonder what Al would say about your vile southern analogy), and the list goes on, and on and on.
Moreover, of the people who you lump into this 'bitter attack' conspiracy, how many of them are equally as vociferous about their own government and attacks on it? Maybe brits against blair, or canucks against harper... Many of these same people who are anti-american, were and likely are fond of Clinton. They were likely very supportive and positive in their comments. What does that mean? It's a 'sustained attack' on bad, irresponsible, discriminatory, torturing, lying government. Not an attack on 'america', but on an administration and a conservative culture. Two things that happen every day and every night on American radio, TV and websites, often by far more aggressive and disgruntled people than anyone on this board.
Get a clue, professor... |
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