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ariellowen
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| 300 seemed to me to be a refreshing portrail of Persia. Though perhaps the kathoey Xerxes is lacking in historical accuracy (see coins and ba-relief), it is none the less a nice change from the Arab-ized characters in Alexander --after all, it would be another thousand yeads before Arabian Islam would reach Persia. 300 really does portray well the idea of "the exotic Orient" which should not be an unfamiliar idea to Hellenophiles, and the Indian style of costume and characters, as opposed to Arabian, would really be little less accurate than an Islamic Xerxes. (In fairness, Alexander does very well capture the exotic Apocalypse Now-esque strangeness of distant (barbarian) lands once Alexander goes beyond Babylon.) Other well captured Greek qualities found in 300 have to include: Greek racism, which runs deeply through Classicism (for example: "the hordes of Asia" line in 300), and eugenic mercilessness (deformed Ephialtes); both facts of Greekness which have often been obfuscated by idealization. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| ... but it is not anti-Iranian to show a movie where the Greeks win a battle. That's my take on it. |
Um, the Greeks didn't win that one.
But I agree with you. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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| ... but it is not anti-Iranian to show a movie where the Greeks win a battle. That's my take on it. |
Um, the Greeks didn't win that one.
But I agree with you. |
Yes, they lost Thermopylae, but in the end they won the war. You are right. I wasn't thinking fully about all the details when I posted. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Ah, who cares. Details schmetails; it's all Greek to me.
I'd rather there be a real movie about it, but I'll go watch 300 anyway. Would rather see the Steven Pressfield book, Gates Of Fire on the big screen.
Seems there was one in the making, but it got shelved. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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Hey puppy shit, didn't you learn not to answer a question with a question?
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Ilsanman wrote: |
| The correct answer to this question is 'Who the *beep* cares what the Iranians think?' |
To which the correct response is 'Who the *beep* cares what Ilsanman thinks?'
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| So, yes I agree. It isn't necessary to invent phony 'history' for a movie when the 'real' thing is so kinky to begin with. |
What I'd like to see is a well-made big-budget TV series that was interested in actually representing life at the time with some regard for accuracy. Something along the lines of Rome, perhaps. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
Hey puppy *beep*, didn't you learn not to answer a question with a question?
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Ilsanman wrote: |
| The correct answer to this question is 'Who the *beep* cares what the Iranians think?' |
To which the correct response is 'Who the *beep* cares what Ilsanman thinks?'
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| So, yes I agree. It isn't necessary to invent phony 'history' for a movie when the 'real' thing is so kinky to begin with. |
What I'd like to see is a well-made big-budget TV series that was interested in actually representing life at the time with some regard for accuracy. Something along the lines of Rome, perhaps. |
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Didn't you do it first? |
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Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| How are jewish people portrayed in Iranian films? How are Americans? |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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I liked the movie, but it required a lot of suspension of belief. I didn't look at it as history and anyone who accepts it as history deserves to be ignorant.
I was put off by the black and whited-ness of the film. Spartans handsome, Persians ugly. And what about the Immortal Guard being Japanese?
I read an editorial yesterday that pointed out that many Americans wouldn't recognize Persians as Iranians, anyway, so the Iranian government was beating its chest for nothing. Sad to say, he's probably right. |
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