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katsu



Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Location: here and there

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Teaching: public vs private Reply with quote

hiya all,

i'm looking into coming to Korea, and just have some general questions regarding teaching.

how many of you prefer working in public schools, and how many of you like teaching in private schools?

what are the pros and cons of both (aside from 30+ students in public schools vs. 10 or less in private, morning hours vs evening shifts, longer holidays vs 10 days or so...). What are some of the other things that you have noticed that made you wish you were teaching in the other system?

thanks Laughing
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching: public vs private Reply with quote

katsu wrote:
hiya all,

i'm looking into coming to Korea, and just have some general questions regarding teaching.

how many of you prefer working in public schools, and how many of you like teaching in private schools?

what are the pros and cons of both (aside from 30+ students in public schools vs. 10 or less in private, morning hours vs evening shifts, longer holidays vs 10 days or so...). What are some of the other things that you have noticed that made you wish you were teaching in the other system?

thanks Laughing


Let me guess... you haven't read the stickys or the FAQs yet.

This question gets posted about every week or two and has been answered about a thousand times.
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katsu



Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Location: here and there

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guilty as charged!? no, I don't think so...hmm...

well obviously I did not read through all the posts...but i did go through many of them, including some of the sticky's and FAQ's. And as I mentioned, I did find bits and pieces here and there, but I haven't really found exactly what I was looking for, and hence my questions. Most of the answers I've been finding regarding both type of schools seen quite negative.

What I was hoping to get at here was some short 2 line answers, ie. "i worked at both, but i would recommend _______", or "i work at a public school and I love it, and wouldn't trade my job to work in a hagwon", etc.,

I was aiming to get some statistical analysis, in term of yes's and no's for both of these institutions...(which of course would be very much appreciated)

Smile
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with your statistical gathering...
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katsu wrote:
guilty as charged!? no, I don't think so...hmm...

well obviously I did not read through all the posts...but i did go through many of them, including some of the sticky's and FAQ's. And as I mentioned, I did find bits and pieces here and there, but I haven't really found exactly what I was looking for, and hence my questions. Most of the answers I've been finding regarding both type of schools seen quite negative.

What I was hoping to get at here was some short 2 line answers, ie. "i worked at both, but i would recommend _______", or "i work at a public school and I love it, and wouldn't trade my job to work in a hagwon", etc.,

I was aiming to get some statistical analysis, in term of yes's and no's for both of these institutions...(which of course would be very much appreciated)

Smile


I've worked at a child hagwon, an adult hagwon and a public school, and for me the public school is the best. The problem, however, is that hagwons (private schools) and public schools are all different from each other. A public school job in one province - or even in the same province or city - can be very different to working in another public school. The same goes for hagwons - there are good and bad hagwons. Personally, I prefer the stability, longer vacations, fewer teaching hours and added respect from the students/teachers that goes with a public school job.
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katsu wrote:

I was aiming to get some statistical analysis, in term of yes's and no's for both of these institutions...(which of course would be very much appreciated) Smile


Maybe a poll would be a better format.
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private elementary, middle, and high schools differ greatly, depending on the princpal. A Korean friend told me that in a private school situation, the principal is king. That couldn't be more accurate.

If you have a sucky principal, the school sucks to work for.

Most private schools are very conservative, and run by stodgy old farts who run it like the army. This may or may not be how the treat you. In my experience, the Korean teachers are certainly treated this way.

There is nepotism in the private school sector. Blatant nepotism. At my former high school, the founder and his wife were chairman and principal, and their children took over as chairman, principal, and vice-principal. Family was also involved in the business office. President Noh has been fighting to change this, but I don't know if it's taken effect yet.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, hagwons are NOT private schools. Private schools are similar to a public school, but the principals and teachers are appointed/hired by the school's board. Where in public schools it's all done by the education office. Teachers in private school are hired on contract. While Korean teachers in public schools are hired permanently (if they are certified/passed the teachers test). You will have some uncertified teachers that are hired on contract in the public schools.

As a foreigner, you probably won't notice the politics that are involved in private middle and high schools. The atmosphere in the teacher's office of private schools is usually more lively than in public schools. In public schools, many teachers are rotated in and out to other schools. So, your English co-teacher you have one semester may be replaced the next semester.
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP was referring to hagwons when he or she asked about "private schools." That's how a lot of the ads on the job boards refer to them. (Of course I realize the ads are misleading.)
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it largely depends on how long you want to stay in Korea. If you want to stay here for over a year, I'd suggest trying to get a six-month hagwon (private academy) gig. Then you can try to stay if it's a decent hagwon or move on to a public school after you've learned the ropes and are better prepared for large class sizes.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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six-month hagwon (private academy) gig


Please explain how to get this on an E-2 visa which is a one year visa.


To the OP: Public schools will rock the socks off 90% of hogwan jobs.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
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six-month hagwon (private academy) gig


Please explain how to get this on an E-2 visa which is a one year visa.



I know of a few people who've done it.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu Bum Suk, I don't doubt it, I'm just curious how they did it. I suppose getting a boss to agree to it then just leaving the country after 6 months is one way.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Yu Bum Suk, I don't doubt it, I'm just curious how they did it. I suppose getting a boss to agree to it then just leaving the country after 6 months is one way.


The two I heard of just emailed every recruiter they could find asking for a six-month contract.
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 6-month visa once, but it was because immigration decided to "punish" me for being busted at the previous school. They were so proud that they wouldn't offer me a 1 year visa. The little twirp, who had soju-red eyes and face, even folded his arms and shouted, "you teach illegally -- six month visa!" Little did they know, it was the best thing that could have happened to me.

Every cloud has a silver lining. I was pissed at the time, but that 6 month contract meant that I landed right in the midst of my high school gig for my next contract. Immigration's "punishment" turned out to be a huge favor.

Suckers.
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