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Does your school make you pretend you don't know Korean?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Does your school make you pretend you don't know Korean? Reply with quote

I know Korean well enough to get by. However, when my school found out that I could pretty much understand about 70% of what was said, they told me to pretend that I don't know any Korean in front of students and teachers.

Well, this was hard to do, since I caught one student say a bad word in Korean and I looked directly at him right after I said it. I think that tipped off the students that I could understand what they were saying.

Anyways, has anyone else encountered this? Has anyone else been told to pretend they can't speak or understand Korean in front of students and parents?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well..it is stupid to ask you to pretend you do not understand Korean. However, it is often asked that Korea is not used in English class....and that makes some sense when it comes to the learning environment.

But, heck, you can't just pretend...just let your students know you understand some Korean but that no Korean language will be used during class.
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
...no Korean language will be used during class.


I really don't understand this pervasive notion that L1 use in class impedes L2 acquisition.

It sounds like a bunk excuse promulgated by insecure teachers (DESL Cafe posters excluded, of course) incompetent in the students' L1 to preclude a possibility that learners would use the L1 as a tool to controvert the teacher's authority.
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Missile Command Kid



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is going to sound goofy, but at the beginning of term I had a few classes that absolutely refused to speak. I'm in Daegu, so for some of these kids seeing a foreigner is as shocking as seeing an alien from outer space. I always do my best to work in "sseokso" and "ssaengaer" into my introduction class, if only to give them something to laugh about. After that, nearly all of my classes warmed up to me.

It also gives my director's wife a kick every time I greet her in Korean, or use a few other words. If there's a parent in the room, I say what I've got to say in Korean first and English second - I know how bloody annoying it is for people to speak nothing but Korean in front of me, so I try to give the parents some respect by talking to them in their own language.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using Korean is good to get the point accross so you're not having to stand on your head to teach. But it must be limited.

A lot of these Korean teachers just go too far with classes being conducted pretty much completely in Korean. It really doesn't do the foreign teacher and students much good when such classes are being taught (foreign teacher and Korean teacher back up classes). Kids walk into your classroom yammering on in Korean. It's really quite unbelievable. Once they get to a certain age, like 6th year elementary or 1st year middle school, it's like they think they have a free pass to speak Korean all the time and you sound like a broken record telling them to use English.

Yes, they'll use Korean if they know you might understand, but I find that pointing how stupid that is gets them on the right track. Make them repeat it in English like 5 times.
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen that speaking korean in class is especially useful. To break tension, it's fine once and awhile.

To pretend that you don't know it when you do is dishonest and I would absolutely refuse to do it. Who knows? You might be able to bond with your fellow teachers if they know that thy can relate to you a bit.
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Travelous Maximus



Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sine qua non wrote:
Homer wrote:
...no Korean language will be used during class.


I really don't understand this pervasive notion that L1 use in class impedes L2 acquisition.

It sounds like a bunk excuse promulgated by insecure teachers (DESL Cafe posters excluded, of course) incompetent in the students' L1 to preclude a possibility that learners would use the L1 as a tool to controvert the teacher's authority.


I agree. I too thought that being able to use bits of Korean in class to supplement the English would be beneficial. It would be easier to explain the meanings of the more esoteric English words. I got shot down by the faculty too.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told the supervisor that I would like to send out a monthly newsletter to the parents, telling them what we were doing in class.
She told me to write it in English, since Koreans don't expect foreigners to know Korean.
I refused. Why don't the Korean English teachers speak to the parents in English? If she taught Korean to children in the United States, would she speak to the parents in Korean?
She finally gave in.
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gsxr750r



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sine qua non wrote:
Homer wrote:
...no Korean language will be used during class.


I really don't understand this pervasive notion that L1 use in class impedes L2 acquisition.

It sounds like a bunk excuse promulgated by insecure teachers (DESL Cafe posters excluded, of course) incompetent in the students' L1 to preclude a possibility that learners would use the L1 as a tool to controvert the teacher's authority.



Sounds like someone is trying to impress us with his recently-learned MA vocabulary, rather than provide some useful discussion. Dude, you don't impress.

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falco



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but the notion that using L1 somehow impedes learning L2 ine the classroom IS bunk. Pure and simple. I've been arguing this for years.

A). It helps to clarify hard to understand concepts or words, especially with younger students.

B). It helps the foreign teacher bond with the students.

C). It shows the students concerned that the foreign teacher understands at least a little of THEIR language and culture. So its not only them that is learning but the teacher as well.

Obviously the foreign teacher SHOULD keep the use of Korean as limited as possible in the English classroom but only use it with the above concepts in mind.

- falco.
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