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oneofthesarahs
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: Saw II: The worst movie I have ever seen |
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I know that Saw II came out ages ago, but I just watched it for the first time. I have several friends who keep telling me I need to see it, so when I saw that it was on TV, I jumped at the chance to watch it and now I'm pissed that I did.
Caution: The following is full of spoilers. It's also long winded, but I'm in a bad mood and Saw put me in a worse mood.
So the movie starts off with a complete jackass of cop finding Jigsaw and discovering that he is a feeble old guy dying from cancer, "testing the limits of human survival" because he survived a car crash or something. The reason that most horror movies don't give actual motives for their psycho killers is because it comes across as heavy handed and ridiculous, as is the case for this joke of a movie. Do I care why Leatherface is sticking people on meat hooks? No. It's a horror movie, that's not the point. The only purpose for giving a motive to your killer is to make him more sympathetic. But Jigsaw was just a smug, moralizing b*stard, and so giving him a backstory was pointless.
But the thing that pissed me off the most about Saw II was the abundance of elaborate killing traps. I realize that movies require a certain suspension of disbelief, but this was too much. As we know, Jigsaw is a frail old guy dying from cancer. First, where did the money for his numerous slaughter-locales and random torture devices come from? You can't exactly take out a loan from the bank to remodel your home into chamber of horrors. And who installed of the complex security equipment? If I recall correctly, he was DYING OF CANCER. It's not like he has the time or luxury to figure out how to install everything himself. What? Did he contract out some security guys and tell them, "Hey guys, pay no attention to my bullsh*t house full of bullsh*t random ways to die. Please ignore that revolver rigged up to the door and old timey surgery gear and planks with nails sticking out of them and toxic gas vents and shackles and hacksaws laying around everywhere." I guess theoretically he could have killed them, but maybe then the contracting company would start saying, "Hmmm...all of our guys keep dying when we send them to the house with the pit full of syringes. Maybe we should call the cops. Or at very least, STOP BUILDING HIM AUTOMATIC HEAVY DUTY BOLTING DOORS WITH TIMERS BECAUSE SURELY NOTHING GOOD COULD COME OF THAT."
And as for the ending: so the whole thing was rigged from the get-go, okay, fine, twist ending, whatever. But how the hell was Jigsaw going to guarantee that everyone else would die before the cop's son? Everyone else is all coughing up blood, and the son is just a little haggard looking. What if the son would have died from the sarin gas? (Again, where the hell did Jigsaw come across nerve gas?? I would like to remind you that he is a CANCER PATIENT with a heroin addict as his lackey) If the son would have died, would Jigsaw have said screw it, chalk it up to a failure, or kidnap the cop in a dark alley without all of the bullsh*t with his son?
I have an issue with the concept of Saw in general, too. Most of the whack procedures that the prisoners have to go to in order to save themselves would probably kill them anyway. Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole purpose of his experiment?? If you have to saw your foot off with a hacksaw, you're probably going to bleed to death or go into shock before you get anywhere. Same with digging a damn key out of your skull. And how did Jigsaw learn how to insert a key in someone's head in such a way that they're not going to promptly die before he even gets to put the mask o' doom on them? GAH.
F*ck you, you stupid movie. |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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You think that's bad?
Watch 'Saw III".  |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thankyou Sarah. I'd been told numerous times to see these movies. You've saved me from wasting 3 1/2 plus hours of my life.
Too bad you can't get those hours back. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Horror movies are disgusting anyway, so I don't have to worry about wasting even 1 second of my life on them. The people who think this garbage up to make the movies are evil. |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| princess wrote: |
| Horror movies are disgusting anyway, so I don't have to worry about wasting even 1 second of my life on them. The people who think this garbage up to make the movies are evil. |
horror movies are awesome!! but i could barely sit through the first 'saw', and turned off saw II after about 15 minutes, and didn't even bother with the third one. with everything, they have to be well made, not the garbage they call "scream" and those types of so called "horror" movies. now the shining and the exorcist are horror movies. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I must have had like 4 Korean women ask me if I've seen that movie. Koreans, women in particular, seem to really be into this series. I have no idea why. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Saw II: The worst movie I have ever seen |
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| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
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But the thing that pissed me off the most about Saw II was the abundance of elaborate killing traps. I realize that movies require a certain suspension of disbelief, but this was too much. As we know, Jigsaw is a frail old guy dying from cancer.
(1) First, where did the money for his numerous slaughter-locales and random torture devices come from? You can't exactly take out a loan from the bank to remodel your home into chamber of horrors. And who installed of the complex security equipment? If I recall correctly, he was DYING OF CANCER. It's not like he has the time or luxury to figure out how to install everything himself. What? (2) Did he contract out some security guys and tell them, "Hey guys, pay no attention to my bullsh*t house full of bullsh*t random ways to die. Please ignore that revolver rigged up to the door and old timey surgery gear and planks with nails sticking out of them and toxic gas vents and shackles and hacksaws laying around everywhere." I guess theoretically he could have killed them, but maybe then the contracting company would start saying, "Hmmm...all of our guys keep dying when we send them to the house with the pit full of syringes. Maybe we should call the cops. Or at very least, STOP BUILDING HIM AUTOMATIC HEAVY DUTY BOLTING DOORS WITH TIMERS BECAUSE SURELY NOTHING GOOD COULD COME OF THAT."
I have an issue with the concept of Saw in general, too. Most of the whack procedures that the prisoners have to go to in order to save themselves would probably kill them anyway. Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole purpose of his experiment?? (3) If you have to saw your foot off with a hacksaw, you're probably going to bleed to death or go into shock before you get anywhere. Same with digging a damn key out of your skull. (4) And how did Jigsaw learn how to insert a key in someone's head in such a way that they're not going to promptly die before he even gets to put the mask o' doom on them? GAH.
F*ck you, you stupid movie. |
Actually these can be explained.
1. For all we know, he could be quite wealthy. He's obviously quite mechanically minded and meticulous. These qualities would have helped him in the work world (when he was younger and probably employed somewhere)
2. He could have installed these things himself (before the cancer hit) or had the security guys install the cameras and THEN after they'd finished, install the traps.
3. Ever read that story about that guy who had his arm trapped under a rock? (I think it occured just last year) He sawed off his own arm with a knife to escape. People can do extraordinary things when motivated enough.
4. He could have been a doctor or had some medical training.
But in the end...it's a movie and a horror one at that. It requires a suspension of belief...like most movies. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Saw II: The worst movie I have ever seen |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
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But the thing that pissed me off the most about Saw II was the abundance of elaborate killing traps. I realize that movies require a certain suspension of disbelief, but this was too much. As we know, Jigsaw is a frail old guy dying from cancer.
(1) First, where did the money for his numerous slaughter-locales and random torture devices come from? You can't exactly take out a loan from the bank to remodel your home into chamber of horrors. And who installed of the complex security equipment? If I recall correctly, he was DYING OF CANCER. It's not like he has the time or luxury to figure out how to install everything himself. What? (2) Did he contract out some security guys and tell them, "Hey guys, pay no attention to my bullsh*t house full of bullsh*t random ways to die. Please ignore that revolver rigged up to the door and old timey surgery gear and planks with nails sticking out of them and toxic gas vents and shackles and hacksaws laying around everywhere." I guess theoretically he could have killed them, but maybe then the contracting company would start saying, "Hmmm...all of our guys keep dying when we send them to the house with the pit full of syringes. Maybe we should call the cops. Or at very least, STOP BUILDING HIM AUTOMATIC HEAVY DUTY BOLTING DOORS WITH TIMERS BECAUSE SURELY NOTHING GOOD COULD COME OF THAT."
I have an issue with the concept of Saw in general, too. Most of the whack procedures that the prisoners have to go to in order to save themselves would probably kill them anyway. Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole purpose of his experiment?? (3) If you have to saw your foot off with a hacksaw, you're probably going to bleed to death or go into shock before you get anywhere. Same with digging a damn key out of your skull. (4) And how did Jigsaw learn how to insert a key in someone's head in such a way that they're not going to promptly die before he even gets to put the mask o' doom on them? GAH.
F*ck you, you stupid movie. |
Actually these can be explained.
1. For all we know, he could be quite wealthy. He's obviously quite mechanically minded and meticulous. These qualities would have helped him in the work world (when he was younger and probably employed somewhere)
2. He could have installed these things himself (before the cancer hit) or had the security guys install the cameras and THEN after they'd finished, install the traps.
3. Ever read that story about that guy who had his arm trapped under a rock? (I think it occured just last year) He sawed off his own arm with a knife to escape. People can do extraordinary things when motivated enough.
4. He could have been a doctor or had some medical training.
But in the end...it's a movie and a horror one at that. It requires a suspension of belief...like most movies. |
Haaa!! The OP itself was brilliant -- expoundiing at such great length on a movie that she simply detests (and even swears at!  ) and then this serious point-by-point rebuttal! God, THIS is what makes this place such good, dumb fun!
Personally, I just don't see anything here that you couldn't also say about a thousand other slasher/gore flicks. So I want to know, how was the acting, camera work, sets, etc.? I might be interested, having seen none of the series yet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Saw II: The worst movie I have ever seen |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| oneofthesarahs wrote: |
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But the thing that pissed me off the most about Saw II was the abundance of elaborate killing traps. I realize that movies require a certain suspension of disbelief, but this was too much. As we know, Jigsaw is a frail old guy dying from cancer.
(1) First, where did the money for his numerous slaughter-locales and random torture devices come from? You can't exactly take out a loan from the bank to remodel your home into chamber of horrors. And who installed of the complex security equipment? If I recall correctly, he was DYING OF CANCER. It's not like he has the time or luxury to figure out how to install everything himself. What? (2) Did he contract out some security guys and tell them, "Hey guys, pay no attention to my bullsh*t house full of bullsh*t random ways to die. Please ignore that revolver rigged up to the door and old timey surgery gear and planks with nails sticking out of them and toxic gas vents and shackles and hacksaws laying around everywhere." I guess theoretically he could have killed them, but maybe then the contracting company would start saying, "Hmmm...all of our guys keep dying when we send them to the house with the pit full of syringes. Maybe we should call the cops. Or at very least, STOP BUILDING HIM AUTOMATIC HEAVY DUTY BOLTING DOORS WITH TIMERS BECAUSE SURELY NOTHING GOOD COULD COME OF THAT."
I have an issue with the concept of Saw in general, too. Most of the whack procedures that the prisoners have to go to in order to save themselves would probably kill them anyway. Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole purpose of his experiment?? (3) If you have to saw your foot off with a hacksaw, you're probably going to bleed to death or go into shock before you get anywhere. Same with digging a damn key out of your skull. (4) And how did Jigsaw learn how to insert a key in someone's head in such a way that they're not going to promptly die before he even gets to put the mask o' doom on them? GAH.
F*ck you, you stupid movie. |
Actually these can be explained.
1. For all we know, he could be quite wealthy. He's obviously quite mechanically minded and meticulous. These qualities would have helped him in the work world (when he was younger and probably employed somewhere)
2. He could have installed these things himself (before the cancer hit) or had the security guys install the cameras and THEN after they'd finished, install the traps.
3. Ever read that story about that guy who had his arm trapped under a rock? (I think it occured just last year) He sawed off his own arm with a knife to escape. People can do extraordinary things when motivated enough.
4. He could have been a doctor or had some medical training.
But in the end...it's a movie and a horror one at that. It requires a suspension of belief...like most movies. |
Haaa!! The OP itself was brilliant -- expoundiing at such great length on a movie that she simply detests (and even swears at! ) and then this serious point-by-point rebuttal! God, THIS is what makes this place such good, dumb fun!
Personally, I just don't see anything here that you couldn't also say about a thousand other slasher/gore flicks. So I want to know, how was the acting, camera work, sets, etc.? I might be interested, having seen none of the series yet. |
Actually it wasn't a serious rebuttal..I was bored at work (I have just one class today) 
Like I said...it's just a movie. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't you have written:
"Saw II: The Worst Movie I Ever Saw"? |
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kimchi story
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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You think that's bad?
Watch 'Saw III". |
Hyuk...my thoughts exactly.
Hostel, otoh, now there's some dirty fun... |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I had some students raving about the Saw series in class yesterday, actually. I wonder if the reason Koreans like it so much is because Korean horror movies don't compare. Has anyone seen a Korean horror flick? I only saw part of one on TV once, where some creepy zombie girl with a crooked neck was walking about.
As for horror movies, my favorite was House of 1,000 Corpses. That one is just plain psychotic. I love the happy ending trick, too. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Grimalkin wrote: |
You think that's bad?
Watch 'Saw III". |
Exactly. I couldn't watch the whole of that film it was so crap.
I loved Saw 1 and quite liked Saw 2
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Deleted... Not enough sleep.
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rocklee
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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"Saw" was directed by a Malaysian guy from RMIT, Melbourne Australia.
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