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		Rteacher
 
  
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: What Up with North Korea Nuclear Talks? | 
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				Apparently North Korea has walked away from the talks - yet again, this time because a deadline has passed for their funds (frozen in a Macau bank because of U.S. pressure) to be transferred to a bank in Beijing.
 
 
From what I could gather from news reports, the U.S. had given a green light on the transfer, and most everyone involved thought that the way was cleared to make serious progress toward resolving the nuclear issue.
 
 
While the U.S. and Japan seem anxious to get on with the process, the Russian envoy - who also left the talks - reported that the Bank of China refused the transfer, and another "diplomatic source" said that China did not want to play a role in getting "dirty money" back to North Korea...
 
 
U.S. envoy, Christopher Hill, said that the delay in the transfer "had to be overcome quickly" - presumably to not lose momentum built up by recent bilateral meetings... 
 
 
It would seem that China is sending mixed messages. Perhaps it wants to consider all the implications of North Korea's resuming normal relations with the U.S. and Japan at this point...
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070322/ts_nm/korea_north_dc_77 | 
			 
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		English_Ocean
 
  
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject:  | 
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				It's difficult to believe the talks are stalled over a few million dollars.
 
I thought NK had tons of counterfit equipment.     | 
			 
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		soviet_man
 
  
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				The two obvious reasons for a walk out would be:
 
 
1. The agreements made during the previous round of six-party talks failed to be implemented by the US.
 
 
2. There was no agreement that the lifting of sanctions + the unfreezing of accounts would occur at the same time. | 
			 
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		jinju
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | soviet_man wrote: | 
	 
	
	  The two obvious reasons for a walk out would be:
 
 
1. The agreements made during the previous round of six-party talks failed to be implemented by the US.
 
 
2. There was no agreement that the lifting of sanctions + the unfreezing of accounts would occur at the same time. | 
	 
 
 
 
1. yes, its ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL America's fault.
 
 
Moron.
 
 
Perhaps the true reason is the the Norks NEVER honor an agreement? But that wouldnt jive with the America = EVIL psychosis you lefties suffer from. | 
			 
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		NAVFC
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Im appalled that we are even dealing with North Korea, currently lead by the most evil dictatorship currently on Earth,
 
Death camps, slave labor, public exeuction, micromanagement of daily lives and brain washing..
 
 
I say the allies should storm across the 38th and sieze pyongyang and reunite the two koreas.
 
 
Also can NK ever be trusted to disarm all their nukes? IN a society ever so closed off could we know? how dow e know they have hidden a few boms somewhere?
 
 
Also, wouldnt actually givcing up nukes anger Kims generals and scientists who would so hard for years to build these bombs? Only to give them up?
 
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		Rteacher
 
  
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject:  | 
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				What allies are you talking about? I don't think that China would agree to an invasion of North Korea unless there was an agreement that they would take it over...
 
 
South Korea? Japan? Russia? England? Australia? Canada? ...
 
 
I think that the U.S. would basically have to go it alone at this point if it were to launch any kind of attack. North Korea probably has enough military power (and agents in South Korea...) to cause tremendous  damage (and who could really trust intelligence reports to the contrary?...)
 
 
Now it looks like talks will resume within a couple weeks. Although we're dealing with a proven liar, cheater, blackmailer (etc...) the six party framework at least gives a better chance of compliance, if all the major parties can work cooperatively...
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070323/ts_nm/korea_north_dc_85 | 
			 
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		NAVFC
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Rteacher wrote: | 
	 
	
	  What allies are you talking about? I don't think that China would agree to an invasion of North Korea unless there was an agreement that they would take it over...
 
 
South Korea? Japan? Russia? England? Australia? Canada? ...
 
 
I think that the U.S. would basically have to go it alone at this point if it were to launch any kind of attack. North Korea probably has enough military power (and agents in South Korea...) to cause tremendous  damage (and who could really trust intelligence reports to the contrary?...)
 
 
Now it looks like talks will resume within a couple weeks. Although we're dealing with a proven liar, cheater, blackmailer (etc...) the six party framework at least gives a better chance of compliance, if all the major parties can work cooperatively...
 
 
 
But even if an agreement is made, how do you enforce any agreement like that in the worlds most closed of nation???
 
They have so many places to hide weapons and programs.
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070323/ts_nm/korea_north_dc_85 | 
	 
 
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		Rteacher
 
  
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				That's why there would have to be a full-scale invasion as well as strategic air strikes ... 
 
 
I don't think the U.S. is up for it (and there'd probably be a lot of "friendly" fire from South Koreans ...)
 
 
And if there's not some sort of agreement, Japan will soon start producing  nuclear weapons at a fast rate, and there would be potentially out-of-control  proliferation.. 
 
 
As soon as one crazy country  nuked an enemy  city, there'd probably be a chain reaction... And with so many nuclear weapons possesed by many countries, there'd also be more risk of a "Fail-Safe" scenario  (i.e. where deadly missiles are automatically launched by accident...) | 
			 
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		caniff
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  The two obvious reasons for a walk out would be:
 
 
1. The agreements made during the previous round of six-party talks failed to be implemented by the US.
 
 
2. There was no agreement that the lifting of sanctions + the unfreezing of accounts would occur at the same time. | 
	 
 
 
 
 
Don't feed the wanker.  Even he can't be this stupid. | 
			 
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