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mack the knife
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| In it, the Spartans mock the Athenians for chasing young boys. |
Spartan youth were encouraged to develop non-intimate relations with a man who was both a godfather and teacher. The whole pederasty thing is probably as mythological as Xerxes wearing nothing more than a thong while he campaigned with his army.
More interesting is the fact that the women (wives) were permitted to bring other men into the house if their husbands weren't "getting the job done". Ouch. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Lastly, I saw the movie and would give it a "C+" for too much computer special effects. And as someone said, it's almost like watching a animated movie (cartoon). |
Then you should give it a higher mark: it was supposed to look like a comic book. |
EXACTLY! It is not real. It is completely fictional while being loosely tied to a historical event. Persians didn't really have monsters, ride rhinos, nor pierce everything on their body.
I loved the movie, exactly what is was supposed to be. |
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MissSeoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Visually, it's a pretty impressive movie. |
Not really,
It's terrible movie.
I saw this movie last night, make me wonder how this movie could earn $ 70 million at opening weekend. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| MissSeoul wrote: |
| Oh-Ran-Ji wrote: |
Visually, it's a pretty impressive movie. |
Not really,
It's terrible movie.
I saw this movie last night, make me wonder how this movie could earn $ 70 million at opening weekend. |
But you are a terrible sock, so it's a good match. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I liked the movie, but the 'African' Persians and the Japanese Immortal Guard was too over the top for me. I can see the Iranian POV (and I don't like that I can). But I read an editorial that said the Iranians were giving the American public (and education system) too much credit because most wouldn't connect Persian and Iranian. Sad but true. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Not really,
It's terrible movie. |
NO. But your grammar is goddam terrible. Get it together, assmunch. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| The thing alot of people are missing is that the whole story is being told by the dude with the one eye. He was sent back by his King to convince the rest of Greece to go to war. So, the king of Persia is 10 foot tall, the immortals are some sort of deformed beasts, every Spartan is invincible and the man that betrayed them is unspeakably deformed. The story is being told in that context. So saying it historically inaccurate ect ect while being true is not really what the movie is going for. I can understand why someone wouldn't like it, but I think alot of people missing certain parts of how the movie is being told. Thats my two cents, right now Frank Miller is 2 for 2, some does an awesome the Dark Knight Returns and I may just start worshipping him as god |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| some does an awesome the Dark Knight Returns and I may just start worshipping him as god |
If I could translate this sentence into English I think I'd probably agree with you. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| Lastly, I saw the movie and would give it a "C+" for too much computer special effects. And as someone said, it's almost like watching a animated movie (cartoon). |
Then you should give it a higher mark: it was supposed to look like a comic book. |
EXACTLY! It is not real. It is completely fictional while being loosely tied to a historical event. Persians didn't really have monsters, ride rhinos, nor pierce everything on their body.
I loved the movie, exactly what is was supposed to be. |
I thought I had already made that point clear. It's based on a comic book, not a history book. Getting upset about the historical inaccuracies in this movie is as silly as accusing the producers of Superman of scientific fraud. |
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shifter2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| some does an awesome the Dark Knight Returns and I may just start worshipping him as god |
If I could translate this sentence into English I think I'd probably agree with you. |
Yeah, sorry, cherry blossum festival and typing don't go to well together. I'm lucky that was at all coherent. |
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cj1976
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| Saw it today. Absolutely terrible. I'm not sure what was worse; the hammy acting or the preposterous dialogue. I contemplated getting up and walking out on the movie at least 3 or 4 times, but I stuck it out in the hope that it would redeem itself in the last act. It didn't. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| The thing alot of people are missing is that the whole story is being told by the dude with the one eye. He was sent back by his King to convince the rest of Greece to go to war. |
If you are going to get picky, the couple of survivors who did go back to Sparta where shunned for being cowards and at least one of them committed suicide.
It's an OK movie, but I do object to making fictional movies about real historical events that stray from the 'facts'. It requires a bit of creativity to come up with a new plot, but it can be done.
The reason I object is because the main movie-going audience is about 15 years old and doesn't check the historical background of a movie before attending...so on Monday morning they bring up the 'fact' that ancient Persians were from Africa (or whatever) and continue on with other Hollywood silliness. |
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endofthewor1d
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| happy birthday frank! |
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waggo
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| I liked the movie, but the 'African' Persians and the Japanese Immortal Guard was too over the top for me. I can see the Iranian POV (and I don't like that I can). But I read an editorial that said the Iranians were giving the American public (and education system) too much credit because most wouldn't connect Persian and Iranian. Sad but true. |
I havent seen the movie.
One of the most interesting chapters in Herodotus for me is when he descibes the vast army that Xerces took with him on the campaign.
Every corner of the Persian empire was represented including some land in Sub Saharan Africa.So the army would certainly have contained a Nubian contingent...just a suggestion, but maybe thats who you saw.
Im sure Herodotus wrote that they went into battle stark naked and painted head to foot in day-glo green and yellow colours. |
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mindmetoo
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| In it, the Spartans mock the Athenians for chasing young boys. |
Spartan youth were encouraged to develop non-intimate relations with a man who was both a godfather and teacher. The whole pederasty thing is probably as mythological as Xerxes wearing nothing more than a thong while he campaigned with his army.
More interesting is the fact that the women (wives) were permitted to bring other men into the house if their husbands weren't "getting the job done". Ouch. |
My GF noted the little aside about "boy lovers" was translated as simply "those homosexuals". While it's arguable if you look down and have another male's tinkle in your hand, you are indeed a homosexual, I would think others might argue (and really EFL/gopher I'm not keen to enter into a debate here) Greek man/boy love is a little more complicated than that.
But this is subtitle translation and you gotta take short cuts.
The Spartan "goodbye" of "come back with your shield or come back on it" was translated literally too. "Come back home or make sure they bring back your body."
Ultimately, my GF was rather disturbed by this movie. She did like the half naked men with bodies that put my puny girlie man body to shame. But I think she got her fill of decapitations rather quickly. It was a bit like Schindler's List. You discover there's an upper limit to the number of people you can see shot in the head. Or that Korean movie Lies. There is an upper limit to the number of scenes you can enjoy of a naked Korean woman beating a guy with PCV pipe in a love motel. |
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