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Canadian Boy, Parents Alive In Toronto After Texas Prison
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think part of the point of the article was that the U.S. will imprison children who have committed no crime. Yes, the documents of this family were forged, but that was probably a necessity. In the U.S. (I don't know about Canada) you have to physically be present to file for asylum, which means you have to get yourself into the country somehow to even apply. Usually, that requires some illegal action because those who can legally enter usually don't need asylum.

I can't stand people bashing the ACLU. They "advocate" many positions I don't agree with, but they are an organization whose sole mission is to protect the rights that America was founded on. Anyone who believes in the principles of the U.S. (like free speech) should be willing to defend them, even when it makes your stomach churn. The ACLU defends the rights of many people who could not otherwise afford to file suit, because most law firms won't get involved without a good pay day. And, in this case, I believe they are suing regarding the inhumane conditions at the federal detention center (whose inhabitants may not even have the right to sue with the ACLU's help due to their immigration status).

I would defend a pedophile on a Constitutional argument if I thought it meant protecting the liberty of the entire population. That doesn't mean I support pedophiles; it means I support the Constitution, and I want my grandchildren to have the same rights that I had.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a family breaks American law, are they supposed to set them free in the country cause they have a kid? These people were traveling on stolen/forged passports and are from IRAN. Just a slight security risk. Only a tad, eh?

If you break a law in a foreign country, you are at the mercy of their justice system. They should have known better. Canada should not help. If I got tossed in jail in Singapore, they would not help.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
let's see, we've had people who have fled a truly horrible government in Iran and tried to find freedom. Instead they were imprisoned, including their son.


You mean criminals who stole other people's identities.

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We also have people attacking an organization which is a major reason that forums like this can and do exist, they've advanced the rights or women, minorities, homosexuals (Oh.... I see now why roads scholar doesn't like them)


The ACLU defends the worst of the worst.

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To attack either the ACLU or this family is pretty low. Many Americans criticize foreigners for criticizing america saying, "if it weren't for america you wouldn't have your freedom.' The same can be said of the ACLU and Americans..


The ACLU desrves it for their sicko stances
This family deserved to be detaines for breaking laws.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
I would defend a pedophile


Im sure you would. So would Hite, he likes Bangkok.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:


If you break a law in a foreign country, you are at the mercy of their justice system. They should have known better. Canada should not help. If I got tossed in jail in Singapore, they would not help.


Which begs the question: why wont the Canadian government help CANADIANS but they will jump at the chance to help criminals from a terrorist state?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The term "alive" in the title is just fucked. Of course they are alive. I really hope that was IGTG's editorial spin, and not the headline from the paper.

Jinju, they help them and not others because this case falls on a nexus of anti-Americanism, sensitivity to islamic types and immigration. If she did not help, she would have been a Pro-Bush Islamophobic racist anti-immigration xenophobe. Canadian values at work.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
The term "alive" in the title is just *beep*. Of course they are alive. I really hope that was IGTG's editorial spin, and not the headline from the paper.

Jinju, they help them and not others because this case falls on a nexus of anti-Americanism, sensitivity to islamic types and immigration. If she did not help, she would have been a Pro-Bush Islamophobic racist anti-immigration xenophobe. Canadian values at work.


Thats why I have no plans to return to Canada. Its a baskecase of a country, where liberal PC "values" (In quotations because I find them so disgusting that calling them values would imply they have value) have become mutated to the point of being absurd. Canada will not help a Canadian in prison. They will help thieves from a terrorist state. Way to go Canada.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The ACLU defends the worst of the worst.



Everyone deserves a vigerous defence, its what keeps the rule of law in place.


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So would Hite, he likes Bangkok



I love Bangkok, your wife makes the trip worthwhile every time, a golfball through a garden hose!
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English_Ocean



Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Location: You don't have the right to abuse me!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
EnglishPuddle:

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I must be missing the point..


You're always missing it, but we expect no less.

Dr. Hite:

I realize you are one of those arrogant (must be that Quebec French influence) foreigners who is presumptuous enough to lecture Americans about their own national institutions and organizations, but the ACLU was not defending anyone's rights in the case of the pedophiles. You see, Octavius, in our country pedophiles don't have the right to sex with minors (and we'd like to keep it that way if you don't mind). The role of the ACLU is not to ADVOCATE for a cause, but to defend existing constitutional rights, lamebrain.

Take off the sunglasses and see the real world, Chester Molester.


Feeling a bit insecure there stevieboy? I see you are amusing yourself again by trying to put others down. Well, you've not done a good job of it.


Now that we have that out of the way, pray tell me why these people who just happened to be traveling around on stolen passports be given a free pass in the US? Remember, I'm not buying the political, or "I might be tortured in my own country!" lame excuse they gave Keep in mind, this couple were denied asylum in 2005. Also, I'm not even buying the "We managed to pop out a kid in Canada so you have to let us stay!" either.
I'm irritated by the fact that my taxes were wasted on detaining and deportation. I missed nothing, you missed the sarcasm. The ACLU is not going to defend them, the ACLU has only damned the mim security faculty. Nothing more. The fact that ACLU was even mentioned was just to put more weight to the storey. Pure bonk.

So run along stevieboy and assist someone if you are truly able.

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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:


(Oh.... I see now why roads scholar doesn't like them)


The irony trumps the sarcasm.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
freethought wrote:


(Oh.... I see now why roads scholar doesn't like them)


The irony trumps the sarcasm.


if you're referring to the spelling, that was the joke...
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavius Hite wrote:



I love Bangkok, your wife makes the trip worthwhile every time, a golfball through a garden hose!


The secret to these little shots is to be atleast a bit believable. I just dont buy a guy who takes it up the arse on a regular basis to be any sort of a threat.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Octavius Hite wrote:



I love Bangkok, your wife makes the trip worthwhile every time, a golfball through a garden hose!


The secret to these little shots is to be atleast a bit believable. I just dont buy a guy who takes it up the arse on a regular basis to be any sort of a threat.


How do you know he takes it? He could be a giver?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
jinju wrote:
Octavius Hite wrote:



I love Bangkok, your wife makes the trip worthwhile every time, a golfball through a garden hose!


The secret to these little shots is to be atleast a bit believable. I just dont buy a guy who takes it up the arse on a regular basis to be any sort of a threat.


How do you know he takes it? He could be a giver?


Oh puhlease.....time to snap out of your fantasy world, your little ally is a catcher all the way.
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