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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Gopher wrote: |
This goes further than I intended to go, Jinju. |
Its true and you know it. I forgot to say she's also a coward and now doesnt go back to her Chavez threads, except this one. Spineless. And when she does its to lie, so I guess she's also a liar. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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So, Gopher. As an area expert (in training?) for Latin America. Where do you see this all going? Is Chavez the future, the present or the (near) past of Latin American politics, in relation to and independent of, America?
What is your take on all this? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Chavez is a high-profile, drama-seeking caudillo. They come and go all the time in most of Latin America and the Caribbean. Personalism dominates their politics.
As far as Chavez in Venezuela, this will not end well. People like him usually lead their followers over the abyss (Allende, for example). But I do not believe anyone needs me to tell them that.
(And, of course, when all the dust settles, people will bitterly blame America for the whole thing.)
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
As far as Chavez in Venezuela, this will not end well. People like him usually lead their followers over the abyss. But I do not believe anyone needs me to tell them that.
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Well, economic collapse is, I think, a given. Oil or no oil, he does not have the funds to sustain what he is building. But that aside, what is "the abyss" in this situation? A full end to democracy? Gulags? ? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ...what is "the abyss" in this situation? |
Do not know. Most probably a reaction against him. Domestic or regional actors.
Domestically, he has suppressed not a few voices and interests.
Moreover, he has made a huge number of regional enemies with his overtly antagonistic style and his barely-concealed intervening in Mexican, Colombian, Peruvian, Bolivian, Ecuadorian political affairs, and, a while back, the longstanding but still very touchy Chilean-Bolivian border dispute.
I understand even the Israelis broke relations with him after he subjected their ambassador to a series of righteous and emotionally-punctuated lectures during the Israeli-Hezbollah War last summer.
He has alleged the Americans and even the Vatican want him out or assassinated. He has said again and again that the W. Bush Administration perpetrated 9/11 -- thus interferring in American politics, demanding that the United States Senate investigate W. Bush over this, not to mention his populist "oil-for-the-poor" program and the doctors he wanted to send to New Orleans, likely just as a cynical, sneering propaganda device. He has also personally attacked W. Bush in the United Nations, crudely violating diplomatic protocal (again).
He is on a collision course with something, then. And, as I said above, given the direction things are going, this will not end well. Because I seriously doubt that he will moderate his position and, more probably, he will only become more extreme, more outrageous, in his efforts to stay in the spotlight of world affairs.
I would advise him to relax and work on governing Venezuela, at least for the moment. But I doubt he would listen. Probably more "go to hell, gringo!" just for daring to advise him... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting stuff! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Bird, I am glad there are some impoverished people in Venezuela receiving health care, an education rather than being neglected in the old fashioned way. However, Chavez has too much personal power vested in him and is trying to control the economy too much. This hasn't been shown to work. It reminds me of Nasser in Egypt and the high hopes people had for him among the Egyptians. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| WHAT? |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
Its true and you know it. I forgot to say she's also a coward and now doesnt go back to her Chavez threads, except this one. Spineless. And when she does its to lie, so I guess she's also a liar. |
Yes, what a pitiful excuse for a human being! Let's hope she stays at home where she belongs, looking after those pesky brats of hers. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Its true and you know it. I forgot to say she's also a coward and now doesnt go back to her Chavez threads, except this one. Spineless. And when she does its to lie, so I guess she's also a liar. |
Yes, what a pitiful excuse for a human being! Let's hope she stays at home where she belongs, looking after those pesky brats of hers. |
you said it. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Its true and you know it. I forgot to say she's also a coward | | | | |
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