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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Becky? Is that you? |
Nah, I wouldn't be anywhere near as giving as to allow you the luxury of limbo.
Satan's going to be lopping off the top of your head and taking a dump in that malicious, habitually lying, delusional little skull of yours for eternity. You might as well pork the strippers while you're at it, you got nothing to lose. |
Lordy, Becky, what exactly am I lying about? |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ecumenist wrote: |
| twg wrote: |
| Slack-jawed idiot wrote: |
| Becky? Is that you? |
Nah, I wouldn't be anywhere near as giving as to allow you the luxury of limbo.
Satan's going to be lopping off the top of your head and taking a dump in that malicious, habitually lying, delusional little skull of yours for eternity. You might as well pork the strippers while you're at it, you got nothing to lose. |
Slack-jawed idiot. Heh.
But I maintain that Otis is not important enough to warrant hell. Not even a blip on the eschatological radar. |
Are you angry because I didn't invite you to the prom? |
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Ecumenist
Joined: 04 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
Are you angry because I didn't invite you to the prom? |
I could never be angry at you Otis.
Shanti. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I believe in Mom and God.
But I also believe in making a buck.
So what's a boy to do? |
Oh oh oh, I'm getting a raging prophecy...
[Setting: Hell; Time: The Future]
otis: Hey there gang ah jee, how did you end up down here?
gang ah jee: Oh, you know, I was arrogant and full of hubris and thought that the world didn't need God. I thought there was no evidence, but I was wrong. Now I must burn in eternal torment as foretold in Matthew 13:41-42. Woe is me, woe, woe, woe is me. So how about you?
otis: Well, I believed in God, but I wanted to make a quick buck off some strippers so I didn't bother following His word.
gang ah jee: Let me get this straight. Even though you knew about Proverbs 5:3-5 you still thought you could get away with running a titty bar because your love of money was so much greater than your love for Jesus?
otis: Yes. That is correct.
otis's wife: [wailing and gnashing teeth] AAAAARGH THE PAIN I'M BURNING WHEN WILL IT EVER END?
Satan: NEVER! (Matt. 25:46)
gang ah jee: lol pwned!
[fade to black]
Seriously though otis, if you're having trouble deciding where your loyalties lie in this world, you should go and talk to your preacher. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have to ask the question, you already know the answer, don't you? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Always felt that "owned" is one of the most insipid expressions of our time, but here it doesn't make much sense. If the guys is "owned" by Jesus, than he isn't going to hell, is he? Now, if he's possessed rather than owned... |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Otis, is a system of rewards and punishments the only factor which keeps you in line?
I never could understand why Christianity preaches selfless love and then turns right around and tells us about Heaven and Hell.
If a person is acting out of genuine selflessness, reports about Heaven and Hell should make no difference to that person.
Apparently, if Plan A doesn't work, try Plan B. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Otis, is a system of rewards and punishments the only factor which keeps you in line?
I never could understand why Christianity preaches selfless love and then turns right around and tells us about Heaven and Hell.
If a person is acting out of genuine selflessness, reports about Heaven and Hell should make no difference to that person.
Apparently, if Plan A doesn't work, try Plan B. |
Of course that keeps me in line.
I have a major problem with impulse control. Some of the stuff I've done in my life because of this malady makes me ashamed.
I've been in tons of fights. Because I'm tough? No. I'm a wuss. Hell, I've had my ass handed to me numerous times. Impulse control.
Some of my fornications are actually the stuff of legend. Am I proud? Hell no. I'm lucky I'm not eaten up by vinereal disease. I've made it with strangers in public places. It's disgusting.
The only reason I don't cheat on my wife is because I know she'll divorce me. Crime and punishment. It keeps me in line.
I can't just drink one or two beers. When I get on a roll, I might go through a case. I will literally drink till I pass out.
Eating. One time at a pogun macha--the orange tents--I ate so much shrimp that my stomach started looking very odd almost as if it were becoming distended. I spent over 200 dollars on shrimp and beer. I couldn't stop stuffing my face. I made myself sick.
Now I'm big into making money. I just want to make as much as possible before I die.
The only thing that keeps me from being some kind of degenerate criminal is God. I need Him more than He needs me.
I'm dealing with some demons. We are Legion.
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Otis, is a system of rewards and punishments the only factor which keeps you in line?
I never could understand why Christianity preaches selfless love and then turns right around and tells us about Heaven and Hell.
If a person is acting out of genuine selflessness, reports about Heaven and Hell should make no difference to that person.
Apparently, if Plan A doesn't work, try Plan B. |
God can't win either way with people who want to justify rejecting Him. If He commands us to do or not do something, and obeying him does not benefit us, than He must not love us if He would command us not to do things that would be good for us and commands us to do things that are bad for us. Wouldn't a good God command people to do that which is good for them (though it may not seem so at the time)? But if God commands us to live in a way that is in fact good for us, than his followers are all just a bunch of phonies who only want what is best for themsleves.
Reread Genesis and you will see that Adam's sin was not in wanting good for himself. God even appealed to his sense of self when he told him not to eat of the tree or death would be the result. By so doing, God showed that he did not expect even pre-Fall Adam to do the right thing out of pure selflessness. But He did expect him to realize that what God told was best for him, was in fact what was best for him. It's not about whether or not one wants what is best for one's self (who doesn't?). It's about where one get's his definition, and source of good. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| God can't win either way with people who want to justify rejecting Him. |
Perhaps another way of putting it would be, "if you think about it logically, God doesn't really make any sense."  But yeah, it is difficult for non-Christians to understand that Christian morality is inspired by both love and fear of God. I think tomato would contrast this with non-theistic moralities which tend to be based around the idea that certain actions and outcomes are intrinsically good, rather than being part of a system of supernatural sticks and carrots. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Hello, Flakfizer!
It's good to see you again!
I was referring to the commandment to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I'd like to hear your comments on this passage.
I realize the Old Testamant doesn't say that, but the New Testament does.
According to my concordance, that's Matthew 19:19, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:14, and James 2:8.
If this is really a commandment from God, I certainly fall short.
Hello, 강아지!
Your interpretation of my words is about right.
One of my pet peeves about Creationists is their putting the words "Anything goes" into our mouths. There are other monogamous species besides ours, and I am sure that we practiced monogamy long before someone coined all this lofty rhetoric about "holy matrimony."
There are two factors which tend to determine monogamy in a species. One is length of childhood, the other is susceptibility to venereal disease.
We have the longest childhood in the Kingdom, but we don't have the greatest susceptibility to venereal disease. As a result, we are monogamous compared with other species, but there are species which are more strictly monogamous than we are. That is why our species ranges from kool kats like Otis to nerds like me.
Hello, Otis!
Thank you for your response.
You may have your faults, but there is one thing we all must say for you: you're honest! |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Hello, Flakfizer!
It's good to see you again!
I was referring to the commandment to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I'd like to hear your comments on this passage.
I realize the Old Testamant doesn't say that, but the New Testament does.
According to my concordance, that's Matthew 19:19, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:14, and James 2:8.
If this is really a commandment from God, I certainly fall short.
Hello, 강아지!
Your interpretation of my words is about right.
One of my pet peeves about Creationists is their putting the words "Anything goes" into our mouths. There are other monogamous species besides ours, and I am sure that we practiced monogamy long before someone coined all this lofty rhetoric about "holy matrimony."
There are two factors which tend to determine monogamy in a species. One is length of childhood, the other is susceptibility to venereal disease.
We have the longest childhood in the Kingdom, but we don't have the greatest susceptibility to venereal disease. As a result, we are monogamous compared with other species, but there are species which are more strictly monogamous than we are. That is why our species ranges from kool kats like Otis to nerds like me.
Hello, Otis!
Thank you for your response.
You may have your faults, but there is one thing we all must say for you: you're honest! |
Faults? I have no faults!
Nevertheless, I do have a pencil d-ick. It's so skinny that it actually saddens me.
Oh well. At least it's long enough to swing in the mirror. What more could a boy ask for? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| God can't win either way with people who want to justify rejecting Him. |
Perhaps another way of putting it would be, "if you think about it logically, God doesn't really make any sense." But yeah, it is difficult for non-Christians to understand that Christian morality is inspired by both love and fear of God. I think tomato would contrast this with non-theistic moralities which tend to be based around the idea that certain actions and outcomes are intrinsically good, rather than being part of a system of supernatural sticks and carrots. |
Hmm, you're getting pretty good at speaking for Tomato it seems. However, you should start off with a 'hello' and try to work in an 'unfalsifiable' somewhere. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Hello, Flakfizer!
It's good to see you again!
I was referring to the commandment to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I'd like to hear your comments on this passage.
I realize the Old Testamant doesn't say that, but the New Testament does.
According to my concordance, that's Matthew 19:19, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:14, and James 2:8.
If this is really a commandment from God, I certainly fall short.
Hello, 강아지!
Your interpretation of my words is about right.
One of my pet peeves about Creationists is their putting the words "Anything goes" into our mouths. There are other monogamous species besides ours, and I am sure that we practiced monogamy long before someone coined all this lofty rhetoric about "holy matrimony."
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Earlier, you mentioned acting out of "genuine selflessness." I guess you'll need to explain what you mean by that because the verse you refer to, "Love your neighbor as yourself," seems to me to indicate that God assumes us all to have a love of our self and does not condemn it here but rather tells us to love others in the same way.
As for your pet peeve, I think people put the words "Anything goes" into the mouths of atheists in the same way a person might put the word "four" into the mouth of someone who starts a sentence with "two plus two is..." They are logically completling the thought started by the other. Now, perhaps the other was going to say, "two plus two is fifteen," but they would have no reason to unless they very much wished two plus two did indeed equal fifteen.
I'll have to stop there. Must work now. |
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