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JeJuJitsu

Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Location: McDonald's
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is screwed...in the next few years, when the Chinese owned & built cars start flooding the world market. The kicker, they resemble Hyundais suspiciously closely.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/may2005/nf20050526_0195_db016.htm
udacious, gutsy, and maybe a little nutty -- how else to describe the push by New York auto entrepreneur Malcolm Bricklin and China's Chery Automobile Co. President Yin Tongyao to import and sell 250,000 mainland-made sport utilities, sedans, and sports coupes in the U.S. starting in 2007?
But Bricklin and Chery aim to begin with models that will compete with mainstream vehicles. Starting in 2007, they plan to roll out a four-door sedan, a crossover SUV, and a sports car. The SUV, which Bricklin grandly compares to the $31,000 BMW X3, will sell for $15,000. While analysts say Chery will face a marketing challenge, analyst Jim Hall of AutoPacific Inc. says its cars will generate interest "because of a price advantage, just as Hyundai did in the beginning." |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Chevron threat to reject Korean trade deal
By Eoin Callan in Washington and Anna Fifield in Seoul
Financial Times
Updated: 12:42 a.m. ET March 28, 2007
US companies, led by Chevron, are threatening to withdraw support for a trade deal with South Korea, because they claim it leaves that country free to expropriate foreign assets and arbitrarily restrict the flow of capital.
The companies are demanding that tougher investor protections be added. US and South Korean trade negotiators have until midnight on Friday to break the deadlock in key areas such as cars and agriculture to take advantage of George W. Bush's authority to fast-track trade deals.
The loss of support from key US industries could weaken the Bush administration's ability to approve Washington's biggest trade pact in more than a decade.
A US Chamber of Commerce official said: "Lack of transparency and regulatory unpredictability has been a major problem for investors in South Korea that this agreement needs to solve."
Investor protection in South Korea has become an increasingly topical issue with the long-running investigation into the way Lone Star, the US private equity fund, acquired Korea Exchange Bank in 2003.
Against a backdrop of rising economic nationalism, the state audit board has called for the purchase to be nullified on the grounds that Lone Star bought the bank at an artificially cheap price in the wake of the 1997 Asian financial crisis.
The Korean government has repeatedly said it will treat foreign investors fairly and in accordance with the law.
Lobbyists for Chevron say diluted investment rules under negotiation could leave its joint-venture refinery with LG Group � one of Asia's biggest � legally vulnerable to expropriation.
South Korean officials were unavailable for comment.
� The Financial Times Ltd 2007. "FT" and "Financial Times" are trademarks of the Financial Times.Copyright The Financial Times Ltd. All rights reserved. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17819986/ |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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"Investor protection in South Korea has become an increasingly topical issue with the long-running investigation into the way Lone Star, the US private equity fund, acquired Korea Exchange Bank in 2003.
Against a backdrop of rising economic nationalism, the state audit board has called for the purchase to be nullified on the grounds that Lone Star bought the bank at an artificially cheap price in the wake of the 1997 Asian financial crisis."
This is incredible! The way it looks to me is that they are pissed that this venture capital firm made a buck.
The country was bankrupt and needed outside help to just survive in 1997.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I tend to agre with most of what has been said. Korea would be foolish to simply walk away with no deal. That being said, I don't think the rice issue will get solved. I do hope they allow US beef.
The next few days will tell the tale. If I had to guess what the outcome will be, I would say there will be a deal and it won't include rice. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| As much as it pains me to say it, the US will not retaliate in the event of a total FTA negotiations collapse. If the FTA fails, all will go back to normal, likely. |
Well, maybe I spoke too soon.
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In a letter on Wednesday to the United States trade representative, Susan C. Schwab, the speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, and other senior Democrats criticized the administration�s negotiating tactics, calling for �significant course correction� from a �one-way street� in Seoul�s favor.
The proposed deal �is completely inadequate in the face of Korea�s longstanding iron curtain to American manufactured products,� especially United States cars, the letter said.
Last year, 4,000 American cars were sold in South Korea, while South Korea exported 800,000 vehicles to the United States.
Around 80 percent of the $13 billion American trade deficit with South Korea last year came from the imbalance in automotive trade. |
http://www.nytimes.com
Whoa, "Iron Curtain". Wow.
Maybe the dems will change course? That is very strong language.
A more fair system would benefit America in some respects and devastate Korea. The trade deficit would likely be made up by China, Japan or others. The net difference to a reduction in the American trade deficit with Korea would be negligible for the overall trade deficit.
BUT, after being in that nation for 2+ years I would be lying if I said I wouldn't get a small amount of vengeful satisfaction at seeing those militant factory workers who beat police conscrptis and hate America with every bone in their body get thrown out of a job because America no longer wants to massage the mercantilist feet of Korea Sparkling. But, I hope the FTA is passed none the less as it will make us all more wealthy. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Koreans understand how under threat their economic well-being is right now. Roh should not have started this if he was not willing to finish it because he opened a Pandora's box of crap.
If the Americans tariff Korean autos and electronics, Korea is going to experience serious econmic hardship.
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U.S. Lawmakers Demand FTA Include Auto, Farm Goods
U.S. lawmakers and exporters lashed out at Korea at a hearing on the U.S.-Korea free trade agreement before the House of Representatives' ways and means trade subcommittee.
The lawmakers pledged not to approve the trade pact unless Korea completely opens its auto, beef and agricultural markets. It was the first hearing on the pact since bilateral trade negotiations began.
Representative Sander Levin, a Michigan Democrat and chairman of the trade subcommittee, and his colleague Democrats criticized the inaccessibility of the Korean market for American exporters. <br>
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They reproached Deputy U.S. Trade Representative Karan Bhatia who attended the hearing as a witness for failing to persuade Korea to open up its markets. They claimed that various Korean tariffs and regulations keep out U.S. automakers and exporters.
Rep. Levin called Korea�s current non-tariff barriers for American automakers the largest obstacle in the trade negotiations. �Korea has had an economic iron curtain against these products, using a combination of tariffs, taxes and regulations,� he said. Levin stressed that a deal �must be structured to assure that the Korean market becomes fully open to U.S. automotive and other goods.�
Although they are mostly in favor of the pact, Republican lawmakers joined Democrats in castigating Korea. Congressman Wally Herger (Republican-California) said, �The exclusion of either rice or beef from this important agreement will risk congressional passage.�
Other witnesses emphasized the difficulty in accessing the Korean market. Stephen Biegun, Ford Motor Co.'s vice president of international government affairs, said that last year the U.S. sold just 4,000 cars in Korea while Korea shipped 700,000 cars to the U.S. He blamed non-tariff trade barriers such as Korea's auto taxation system for the imbalance.
Wrapping up the hearing, Chairman Levin warned, �If a South Korean deal does not address automobiles, agricultural products and a number of other goods, it will not get through Congress.� |
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200703/200703220032.html
Those are big words. "Completely opens its auto" market. This isn't going to happen. If the dems are even 10% as serious as they sound, the next (likely democrat) presidency could be a very hard time for the ROK. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| What are the pros and cons of the FTA from the Korean perspective? American perspective? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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The Americans get access to a huge consumer and services market. A good argument can be made that *some of the* 'hollowing out' of the American manufacturing base has been due to unbalanced trade relationships with nations such as Korea, Japan etc etc. The American consumers will also get increased access to Korean products at lower prices (as some tariffs do exist). The trade agreement is, from the Yank point of view, about cars and cows, at this point.
For the Koreans, they get the world. Theirs is an economy that is totally dominated by almost mob-like conglomerates who prevent competition. Korean consumers would get lower priced goods that are of higher quality than now. This would lead to increased competition and innovation/efficiency in the Korean manufacturing sector, and others.
Also, the whole corporate structure, that is in my opinion almost evil (Koreans are treated like scum by their chaebol overlords), in Korea would be undone. The whole system depends on koreans not being able to compete with the Chaebol and the Chaebol not having to compete with anybody but eachother. You would likely see more small business and a push towards global integration. Korea would, in other words, move towards actually being dynamic.
There will be losers. Chaebol will not do well (expect Samsung, maybe). There will be layoffs and industry sheds needless jobs. But "creative destruction" would leave the whole much better off.
The biggest thing you would notice as a consumer is that prices would decrease drastically in a number of markets (food, food, food and food especially). |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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S. Korean man attempts to burn himself amid last-minute FTA talks
SEOUL, April 1 (Yonhap) -- A South Korean man was taken to a hospital Monday after he set himself on fire in protest of free trade talks between South Korea and the United States, police said.
According to the police, the unidentified man attempted to immolate himself 20 meters from the front gate of the hotel where negotiators from South Korea and the U.S. are holding last-minute talks for a proposed free trade agreement. |
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20070401/910000000020070401163602E0.html
Idiot. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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S. Korean man attempts to burn himself amid last-minute FTA talks
SEOUL, April 1 (Yonhap) -- A South Korean man was taken to a hospital Monday after he set himself on fire in protest of free trade talks between South Korea and the United States, police said.
According to the police, the unidentified man attempted to immolate himself 20 meters from the front gate of the hotel where negotiators from South Korea and the U.S. are holding last-minute talks for a proposed free trade agreement. |
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20070401/910000000020070401163602E0.html
Idiot. |
Rule #1: let idiots who set themselves on fire burn. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Good thread for a change, regicide, and much warranted. And your talking points are right on target, BJWD.
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| U.S. manufacturers sold 5,795 vehicles in South Korea in 2005, while South Korean makers such as Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. sold 730,863 vehicles in the United States, according to Commerce Department figures. |
This speaks volumes. But it's not only the Koreans. The Chinese and Japanese all have the idea that they can get something for nothing. They know they can push the envelope and it will be a long time before the U.S. government pushes back. In the meantime they reap the dividends. They don't see us as reasonable but foolish.
I say tack on a huge tariff for their imports if these trade talks break down. Enough of this stalling.
And if the talks fail, or fail to be carried out in good faith, we should demand that the ROK reimburse the U.S. for every last penny of the cost of maintaining 38,000 soldiers near the DMZ. It's time they pay their own freight, same with Japan.  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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2 hours 15 min till the deal must be done.
What do ya'll think? Will they make a deal? If yes, what will it look like. If no, why do you think the political fall out will be?
Or maybe I'm the only one who is obsessing about this tonight... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: |
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2 hours 15 min till the deal must be done.
What do ya'll think? Will they make a deal? If yes, what will it look like. If no, why do you think the political fall out will be?
Or maybe I'm the only one who is obsessing about this tonight... |
No, you're not alone on that. Where would be the best place to get information on the final agreement, if any? |
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thepeel
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caniff
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