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what do the yanks on dave's think about this DOJ scandal???
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
I mean in the old days you would have had so many people out in the streets rather than simply being angry at home.

Hey, in the old days people didn't have the internet. These days dedicated citizen activists show their anger by ragespamming internet message boards.
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mack4289



Joined: 06 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protests are overrated. People should be more worried about voting than protesting. You know all those protestors you see in movies and documentaries about the '60s in America? What that doesn't show you is that voter turnout actually went down from 1964-1968-1972 in the USA. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html). Even in 1972, when the choice was between a guy who had no immediate plans to end the war (Nixon) and a guy who wanted an immediate withdrawal (McGovern), only 50% of 18-24 year olds in the US voted (http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/ksgpress/bulletin/spring2000/american_vote.html).

Forget protests. Get off your lazy as* and vote (I'll admit I've missed out twice- once because of laziness and once because I didn't get the absentee ballot registered in time).
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mack4289



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the DOJ scandal, can anyone tell me what law the administration might've broke? I'm not defending what they did, I just haven't heard anyone say that what they did was anything besides seriously unethical (which I agree with, but if it wasn't illegal, what can Congress really do?).
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has alleged any law was broken, though now one woman being subpoenad says she will take the Fifth.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't the OP asking what the Yanks thought of the situation? As in, people who are actually from the United States of America?

My take is that it will just reinforce how bad this administration sucks. Nonetheless, Americans are forward-looking people, so there will probably be no major repercussions for the current administration.

Bush and Co. are already politically dead in the water. The American populace is looking towards the next administration. This cycle seems to be a defining aspect of the American political landscape. This system leads to short-sightedness (unfortunately), but also allows for an ability to correct shit that has gone horribly wrong (fortunately).

My take: Bush and his crew will get out relatively unscathed. That sucks (in my opinion), but that's what I will predict at this point.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Wasn't the OP asking what the Yanks thought of the situation? As in, people who are actually from the United States of America?

My take is that it will just reinforce how bad this administration sucks. Nonetheless, Americans are forward-looking people, so there will probably be no major repercussions for the current administration.

Bush and Co. are already politically dead in the water. The American populace is looking towards the next administration. This cycle seems to be a defining aspect of the American political landscape. This system leads to short-sightedness (unfortunately), but also allows for an ability to correct *beep* that has gone horribly wrong (fortunately).

My take: Bush and his crew will get out relatively unscathed. That sucks (in my opinion), but that's what I will predict at this point.


This pretty much sums it up. The Bush administration will come out of this unscathed because nothing illegal was done. While you may think it sucks, I happen to think if nothing illegal were done, why would it suck that Bush & Co. come out unscathed? The Democrats are simply trying to make as much hay as they can to justify their "victory" in November. You are spot on about Americans wanting to look forward to the next administration. The presidential race is heating up (already!) and the little non-stories out of that will keep Americans entertained for the next 18 months. The Democratic Congress is only trying to shape voters' opinions now for '08.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: what do the yanks on dave's think about this DOJ scandal Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
I'm just curious what all the Americans on this board think and feel about the DOJ scandal. I'm watching the news, reading the papers and websites and if I was an American I would be outraged. I would be even more outrage at Bush's declaration that he will fight the swearing in of officials. To me, that is unacceptable.

Why should I be more outraged by this than by the fact that Bush's father and bin Laden's fathers are or were business partners in the Carlyle Group (a private investment consortium which buys bankrupt defense contractors and then profit from war)?
Or about the fact that Bush's brother in Florida wrongly purged 90,000 names from voter rolls, 90% of whom were likely Democrats, and then that state's presidential election was decided by a mere 527 votes?
I could go on and on. And I haven't even begun on 9/11.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: what do the yanks on dave's think about this DOJ scandal Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Why should I be more outraged by this than by the fact that Bush's father blah, blah, Bush is bad, blah, blah, blah. And I haven't even begun on 9/11.


Oh, please. Do begin.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pretty typical of second terms. Nearly all of them, starting with Washington, are preoccupied with defending actions taken in the first term.

It appears to me that the new Democratic majority is using a shady action from the past to frustrate the administration's current agenda. It's something like 'death by a thousand cuts'. No one cut is fatal; the purpose is to distract the administration and dissipate its energy, thereby weakening it, so they can't accomplish whatever they would like. It's very much like the Clinton sex scandal in that way.

In addition to stymieing the current agenda, it helps establish the mind-set of GOP = scandal, which will contribute to voters' choices come '08.

On an earlier page, a poster said if one of Clinton's nominees had been accepted by Congress, the Justice Department would have been run much worse than the current one. That's often a successful diversion for a time, but sooner or later, the public seems to stop falling for it and says, "I don't want to hear any imaginary 'what if's' that didn't happen in the last administration. I only care about what did happen in the real world in this administration on your watch and hold you responsible for it."

I highly doubt there will be demonstrations in the streets over the firing of these prosecutors. Most people feel this administration is winding down and will be out of power 'soon'. This is one of the results of regularly scheduled elections. You don't need to toss Molotov *ocktails in the streets when you believe the bums are going to be thrown out in a matter of months.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17844046/


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WASHINGTON - Eight federal prosecutors were fired last year because they did not sufficiently support President Bush's priorities, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' former chief of staff says in remarks prepared for delivery Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"The distinction between 'political' and 'performance-related' reasons for removing a United States attorney is, in my view, largely artificial," Kyle Sampson, who quit during the furor over the firings, said in testimony for his appearance Thursday, obtained by The Associated Press.

"A U.S. attorney who is unsuccessful from a political perspective ... is unsuccessful," he added.

Democrats have described the firings as an "intimidation by purge" and a warning to remaining U.S. attorneys to fall in line with Bush's priorities. Political pressure, Democrats say, can skew the judgment of prosecutors when deciding whom to in