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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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umm what did that article have to do with americans lack of morals and killing?
That has to be one of the most incorrect titles on a thread I have seen. And that is saying something.
If anything, it said we stick our heads in the sand and ignore the consequences of an "american" lifestyle. Hardly the same as the title of the thread.
give me a break. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I think your title stinks! The article isn't at all about "inherent immorality" and in any case, it is farcical to think that any population/people/culture are "inherently immoral". We are all the same in these inherent ways and it is the environment that determines much and which is the determining factor and what should be under discussion.
So I take exception to that title. But the article is a good read and asks a lot of good hard and poignant questions. I think if you change this ill subject title, more people might be inclined to take a look at it. I did so only because I thought it might be one of my fav. Boston Globe columnists.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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you know something's up when both dd and I agree on something.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Are USA citizens inherently immoral about killing innocent people? |
R.S. Refugee's rhetorical question/not-even-concealed allegation indeed represents American critics' position on Americans, America, and American foreign policy and especially the so-called military-industrial complex which pulls all the strings.
I join those who reject this. But do not think that R.S. Refugee is unique in hurling the "depraved" charge.
As I have long said, this is not about democratic debate or constructive criticism... |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Come on guys...
It's R.S. Refugee. It isn't like anyone takes him seriously. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, good work on the pointless troll, R.S. Refugee. Real classy. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Congratulations! You've got me to agree with DD on something. Never thought it would happen. And, just so you know... while I cannot stand DD's halo grabbing, at least he makes me click. You, on the other hand, will no longer get my clicking. (Not that I gave you much in the first place.) Well done, sir. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| R.S. Refugee's rhetorical question/not-even-concealed allegation indeed represents American critics' position on Americans, America, and American foreign policy and especially the so-called military-industrial complex which pulls all the strings. |
Oh, just noticed this. So we go from R.S. Refugee's "Americans are inherently immoral" directly to Gopher's "America's critics think Americans are inherently immoral". Do you not want to add in any modifiers there, Gopher? No some of or most of? Not even a the vast majority of? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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America is not an Empire.
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| To take on the question of an economy advanced with little regard for its sustainability, much less for its justice, implies a move away from the focus on Bush's venality to a broader responsibility. |
The article does not lay out how America is an Empire. It just assumes it is. I am afraid it needs to make its case because I do not see how the American economy acts imperialistically.
Iraq is an anomaly, where a few corporations got government funds to rebuild Iraq and squandered it. But this is hardly imperialism, so much as corruption. The American taxpayer payed for what the corporations squandered. What kind of contrition should an American have unless he was part of the corruption in Iraq?
I am not suggesting Americans should be feeling good right now. But I do not think that the American economy is built on Iraq. If anything, the adventurism in Iraq is feeding off our economy and weakening it. The American economy is what is good about our country.
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Oh, and I agree with everyone that the title of this thread is mind-boggling. |
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The Soju Hoju
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
Location: Bus 26, 200 yards past Lotteria on the left
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Americans may be(according to Yank hating personage) arrogant, stupid, fat, self-obssessed, egocentric, meglo-maniacal, rude and amoral....but to suggest their immoral is proposterous. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Are USA citizens inherently immoral? |
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The question should be: "Is R.S. Refugee always this silly?"
OR "Is R.S. Refugee a troll?"
Those would be better questions. And the answer to both questions would be "Yes". |
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The Soju Hoju
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
Location: Bus 26, 200 yards past Lotteria on the left
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes R.S. you naughty boy.............how dare you post a question that isn't derogatory to Korea and/or Koreans/foreigners/other teachers or some other pointless drivel that no-ones interested in...shame on you.....if you were my son I'd take your trousers down and spank your bare botty |
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tareze
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Location: north or south of a river
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: I took a poll... |
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...of vendors in Bangkok. Who is the rudest/most difficult to deal with and who is the friendliest customer/lodger/etc? I figured these vendors have more international experience than most and yes, I do believe it is telling how one treats a service industry worker in passing. Granted I spoke to only maybe half a dozen vendors buuuut....
Guess who topped everyones list as most disagreeable?
Israelis!
Americans were thought a mixed bag with some rude and some friendly.
The nicest people...Italians!
Anyway, it seems absurd that any group of people is more inherently immoral than another. Hasn't every group of people spent history grabbing at power any way possible? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| tareze wrote: |
| Hasn't every group of people spent history grabbing at power any way possible? |
Bingo. |
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