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seoulunitarian
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seoulunitarian
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All it took was an Executive Order (#9066) from Roosevelt to begin the internment.
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Poemer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| One of the sadder chapters in America's brief history, and representative of the harm that can be done when people, driven by irrational fear or hatred, decide that the basic freedoms and ideals upon which the country was founded can be supended in the name of "security." |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
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ajgeddes
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Huh? Why? |
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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Oh don't say that. You'll spoil the "Let's reflect on one of the infinite horrors committed by America" mood. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Oh don't say that. You'll spoil the "Let's reflect on one of the infinite horrors committed by America" mood. |
I don't think this was started as an anti-American thread. The subject is a very valid one for many countries and should never happen again. To be honest, your comment actually has the better chance of starting another stupid American/Canadian thread than the OP or any of the other threads. |
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freethought
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Huh? Why? |
I would say this statement is valid for a few reasons.
The first has to do with the 'militant' nature of American freedom. The ACLU would be all over this, as would celebrities and likely a sizeable portion of the population. Canadians would sit back, write a few editorials, and might have a few small/medium sized protests, but I doubt much beyond that.
The second is the nature of the government structure. One decree by a majority ruling party and there are few counter measures other than the courts, and the canadian court system is notoriously slow, often even on important matters. Moreover, there's the notwithstanding clause that could be used to circumvent any court decision. In the case of the US, COngress and the white house could put a likely stop to either side advocating such action, moreover, the court system is more rapid in the US.
That's what I can think of off the top of my head.
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Remember the anti-American Ayatollah regime in Iran?
At that time, all the Iranians in the United States were rounded up and questioned about their loyalties.
According to some people, it almost DID happen again. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Huh? Why? |
I would say this statement is valid for a few reasons.
The first has to do with the 'militant' nature of American freedom. The ACLU would be all over this, as would celebrities and likely a sizeable portion of the population. Canadians would sit back, write a few editorials, and might have a few small/medium sized protests, but I doubt much beyond that.
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Indeed. While it's less the case today, Canadians are generally much more trusting of government. There are very few well financed groups in Canada like the ACLU. The Canadian Supreme Court, on issues of rights, tends to rule not on the side of the individual but on the side of the greater good.
And yeah the not withstanding clause has already been used in Quebec to deny English speakers certain basic rights. |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I don't think this was started as an anti-American thread. The subject is a very valid one for many countries and should never happen again. To be honest, your comment actually has the better chance of starting another stupid American/Canadian thread than the OP or any of the other threads. |
While i agree that the subject is valid for many countries, I believe that the intent of this thread was to point the finger of blame at the U.S. I might even venture the guess that the OP had little idea the same thing did and could just as easily happen again in Canada. But, no. The OP wanted to point out that it was America that did it and wanted to play upon the anti-American nature of many posters on this board.
FYI, I have no intent or interest in starting one of those threads. I didn't bring up Canada until now and I did it just to show that the U.S. isn't the only one that performed such an act. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Oh don't say that. You'll spoil the "Let's reflect on one of the infinite horrors committed by America" mood. |
You seem to be doing a fine, if somewhat tangential, job of it yourself. |
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freethought
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Oh don't say that. You'll spoil the "Let's reflect on one of the infinite horrors committed by America" mood. |
You seem to be doing a fine, if somewhat tangential, job of it yourself. |
My thoughts, exactly.
No one has really made a single post to the effect that you describe, and thus far the discussion is nothing like you think it is, so why not be constructive... |
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ajgeddes
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It happened in Canada as well. And I would argue it could happen easier again in Canada. |
Huh? Why? |
I would say this statement is valid for a few reasons.
The first has to do with the 'militant' nature of American freedom. The ACLU would be all over this, as would celebrities and likely a sizeable portion of the population. Canadians would sit back, write a few editorials, and might have a few small/medium sized protests, but I doubt much beyond that.
The second is the nature of the government structure. One decree by a majority ruling party and there are few counter measures other than the courts, and the canadian court system is notoriously slow, often even on important matters. Moreover, there's the notwithstanding clause that could be used to circumvent any court decision. In the case of the US, COngress and the white house could put a likely stop to either side advocating such action, moreover, the court system is more rapid in the US.
That's what I can think of off the top of my head. |
I was going to go more along the lines of I don't think it would ever happen again at all, unless the government was overthrown. No way it would happen again. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| No way it would happen again. |
Well, maybe it wouldn't happen exactly the same way, with the exact same people. Just as religious communities don't actually sew scarlet letters on people. But they certainly have their new ways. We don't at all believe in slavery. But many of us are rather happy to employ slave labor abroad. We just have a way of re-thunkin' it. We don't believe in suspending basic trial rights. We think all humans should enjoy those rights and get raw assed when China et al doesn't give them to their own people. But when some warlords hand over some guy claiming he's a terrorist, people in government don't seem to mind believing there are special exceptions.
You will admit that there are certainly people in our nations, and even in our government (*cough* *reform*) that would have no problem putting people in camps.
So what if an Islamic group set off a nuclear weapon in the USA or Canada and turned New York or Toronto into so much glass? (Remember the Japanese did the moral equivalent. They wiped out the American pacific fleet in a couple hours.) You really don't think your average American or Canadian would be quite willing to countenance such a move by the more extreme people in the ruling party? Extremists would not see this as an opportunity to grab and consolidate power? |
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