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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Iraq today Reply with quote

The Iraqi deputy prime minister was almost killed today during an attempted assassination in which nine of his family members were killed. The deputy PM survived with shrapnel in his chest when a suicide bomber entered his home and detonated. The identity of the suicide bomber? The PMs body guard!
That should tell you something.
Just as US intelligence says, the vast majority of the insurgents are indigenous Iraqis and not foreign fighters. US troops doing duty with Iraqi troops operate under one unwritten rule: don't trust them. The Iraqi troops and police are infiltrated with insurgents. Saturated would probably be a better word. Today's report reminds me of a report a few years ago of a couple of US troops on patrol with an Iraqi national guardsman who dropped behind them and emptied his clip into them.

Bush and his fellow Republican supporters have got to get it through their heads that the war on terror and the civil war in Iraq are two different entities and their nonsense statement of: "If we don't 'em fight over there, we're going to have to fight 'em over here" is just as wrong and inane as was "stay the course" and "we're winning" and "the insurgency is in it's last throes" and they're going to "throw rose pedals at our feet" and the like...
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

at this rate iraqis will be all dead
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
at this rate iraqis will be all dead


Good for them. Nothing to kill and no more killing then.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
Wrench wrote:
at this rate iraqis will be all dead


Good for them. Nothing to kill and no more killing then.


The neo-cons' "liberation" from Saddam's tyranny rages on ...

Bombers Kill At Least 125 At Iraqi Shiite Markets Twisted Evil
More than 150 wounded in five suicide operations in Baghdad and Khalis

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17826030/
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
ChuckECheese wrote:
Wrench wrote:
at this rate iraqis will be all dead


Good for them. Nothing to kill and no more killing then.


The neo-cons' "liberation" from Saddam's tyranny rages on ...

Bombers Kill At Least 125 At Iraqi Shiite Markets Twisted Evil
More than 150 wounded in five suicide operations in Baghdad and Khalis

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17826030/


What you don't hear about is the towns and villages that haven't had any terrorist activity for months. Just a week or so ago a story that was going to be on one of networks was cancelled-a high ranking Iraqi was quoted in it as saying that things were getting better. It's just another example of the networks being anti-Bush and will do anything to discredit him. Baghdad is still a real problem and hasn't made as much progress as hoped. Partly because of policy, but, I think, mostly because of Sunni/Shite and tribal hostilities. Not just because of infidels in the city. Put the blame where it belongs-on those that blow up women and children in the name of Allah, and those of the "wrong" religious group.
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blynch



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
at this rate iraqis will be all dead


Oh, these cultures have been killing off one another since 10,000 years ago when the middle east was still covered with forest. And we haven't run out warring tribes since. Killing a few thousand here or a few thousand there will hardly dent the population. And they are equally matched. I mean both sides only have relativly primative (albiet effective) weapons, so neither can establish a dominant position.

I feel bad for the familes that suffer through this though. But we can't fix these problems now. Maybe (though I am very skeptical) we could have established peace by now if Bush and Rummy hadn't botched the occupation planning, but then again, maybe not. The stakes were just too big for these groups because they have suffered at each other's hands for centuries. The other option would have been to split them up, but then Iran might have become iembeued with expansionist notions. But these were all reasons that I was very anti-war. There just isn't any real way to win in most of these countries. There simply isn't a clear military objective... And back at the beginning, I challanged the rational for the war.

So now it is done. We should just bite the bullet and withdraw, suffer the consequences of the global recession that will occur when their oil production totally collapses, and get on with our own life. We can use the 5 billion a month to build some new Nuclear Reactors. We will need them soon anyway...
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