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Do We Really Believe It Can't Happen Again?
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
I don't think this was started as an anti-American thread. The subject is a very valid one for many countries and should never happen again. To be honest, your comment actually has the better chance of starting another stupid American/Canadian thread than the OP or any of the other threads.


While i agree that the subject is valid for many countries, I believe that the intent of this thread was to point the finger of blame at the U.S. I might even venture the guess that the OP had little idea the same thing did and could just as easily happen again in Canada. But, no. The OP wanted to point out that it was America that did it and wanted to play upon the anti-American nature of many posters on this board.

FYI, I have no intent or interest in starting one of those threads. I didn't bring up Canada until now and I did it just to show that the U.S. isn't the only one that performed such an act.


I am American. That's why I started this thread on American internment of Japanese American citizens (not all, but many). I am less concerned about what happens in Canada. I love my country, and hate my government at the moment. I see the US government inching toward totalitarianism, but I did not start this thread in the spirit of anti-Americanism.

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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Reply with quote

seoulunitarian wrote:
Pligganease wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
I don't think this was started as an anti-American thread. The subject is a very valid one for many countries and should never happen again. To be honest, your comment actually has the better chance of starting another stupid American/Canadian thread than the OP or any of the other threads.


While i agree that the subject is valid for many countries, I believe that the intent of this thread was to point the finger of blame at the U.S. I might even venture the guess that the OP had little idea the same thing did and could just as easily happen again in Canada. But, no. The OP wanted to point out that it was America that did it and wanted to play upon the anti-American nature of many posters on this board.

FYI, I have no intent or interest in starting one of those threads. I didn't bring up Canada until now and I did it just to show that the U.S. isn't the only one that performed such an act.


I am American. That's why I started this thread on American internment of Japanese American citizens (not all, but many). I am less concerned about what happens in Canada. I love my country, and hate my government at the moment. I see the US government inching toward totalitarianism, but I did not start this thread in the spirit of anti-Americanism.

Peace


So you think you'll get a retraction or an apology? Oddly, I was the one who advanced the notion that Canada did it too. His response to me noting Canada's hand was simply to kick up some shyte. Now he's trying to save ass... P(l)iggy, really, go sell it somewhere else.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
So you think you'll get a retraction or an apology? Oddly, I was the one who advanced the notion that Canada did it too. His response to me noting Canada's hand was simply to kick up some shyte. Now he's trying to save ass... P(l)iggy, really, go sell it somewhere else.


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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
But, no. The OP wanted to point out that it was America that did it and wanted to play upon the anti-American nature of many posters on this board.

They're everywhere Pligg!

In your neighborhood!

They're drinking from the same water fountains as you!

They hiding under your bed!

They're doing unspeakable things to your soil and turning the world against you!

Run Pligg! Run from those anti-Americans everywhere!

SAVE DEMOCRACY PLIGG!!
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I guess the question is: might Canada and the USA do the internment jig again with Muslim extreemists?

The problem is, who is going to have the guts to stop the governments? Whoever does is going to come accross as seemingly being "Anti-American" or "Anti-Canadian".

On a different note it makes me wonder: Is the present American government (Uncle Sam) being (Aunti) anti-American?

Leaves a lot for us to think about.


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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
So I guess the question is: might Canada and the USA do the internment jig again with Muslim extreemists?


No, I don't think so. It is pretty hard to intern people based on some religion. Would they intern regular old white people who had converted over? It isn't going to happen again.

What happened, happened a long time ago, when both the USA and Canada were much more homogeneous than today. For example, if Canada tried to intern all Chinese people that would be about 5% of Canada's population. It ain't gonna happen.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes is right in that it would be hard to detain people based solely on religion. In this case it wouldn't be so much religion, but I think more of a case of '6 degrees of seperation'. IE: Mr Khan knows, mr muhammad, who knows mr mohammed, who knows person X, and person X has terrorist leanings, sympathies, links or what have you and WHAMO, Mr Khan finds himself picked up for questioning. and detained.

That I can see happening...
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a proposal between '85-88 to intern people on bases in the mid-west who might either protest and/or do some kind of terrorist act in case the US invaded Nicaragua, which might have turned into an invasion of Cuba as well.
The plan was called off after the invasion of Panama, which was a staging exercise for the Nicaraguan invasion, after President Ortega agreed to hold elections.

The president has the power to revoke selected private liberties in case of war, especially against a group or segment of the population that the government deems "harmful" to the rest of the public.

It was done secretly many times during wars and conflicts that the US has been involved in; just because you don't hear about it doesn't or didn't mean it didn't happen.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
There was a proposal between '85-88 to intern people on bases in the mid-west who might either protest and/or do some kind of terrorist act in case the US invaded Nicaragua, which might have turned into an invasion of Cuba as well.
The plan was called off after the invasion of Panama, which was a staging exercise for the Nicaraguan invasion, after President Ortega agreed to hold elections.

The president has the power to revoke selected private liberties in case of war, especially against a group or segment of the population that the government deems "harmful" to the rest of the public.

It was done secretly many times during wars and conflicts that the US has been involved in; just because you don't hear about it doesn't or didn't mean it didn't happen.


When did it happen before? It would be quite interesting to know which presidents used this power and against whom.
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1898- President McKinley quietly rounded up Mexicans, gouchos and other latin nationals who might rally around Spain as the US fought the Spanish-American War.

1917- An executive order was signed that threatened to inter all German-Americans in the West if there was any signs of assistance being given to German spies in the US. And because of the Zimmerman Telegram, US troops moved many Mexicans away from the Mexican border, especially those who had helped Poncho Villa.

1942- You know that one (original post)

1951- An order was signed by the president that would keep Korean and Chinese immigrants under surviellance by the FBI during the Korean War so they don't give details of US military movements to "the aggressive side". And their movements around the country was strictly monitored during this period.

1985-1989- The one I mentioned.

2001-Present- The president ordered the use of racial profiling in identifying potential terrorists and also ordered that all potential terrorists can be held indefinitely under the guidelines stated in the Patriot Act.
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hairy sue



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those internments were absolutely insignificant compared to the horrors being perpetrated in Poland and Germany at the time. There is absolutely no equivilence whatsoever.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hairy sue wrote:
Those internments were absolutely insignificant compared to the horrors being perpetrated in Poland and Germany at the time. There is absolutely no equivilence whatsoever.


have you read any of this posts in this thread? NO ONE is talking about germany or poland... no one has claimed any equivalence.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hairy sue wrote:
Those internments were absolutely insignificant compared to the horrors being perpetrated in Poland and Germany at the time. There is absolutely no equivalency whatsoever.


And you would enjoy such internment? If Germans kill a million Jews, it's okay for us to kill 10,000 German Canadians, since we're killing less? If Germans kill a million Jews, it's okay for us to imprison 10,000 German Canadians and strip them of their property? (This is a hypothetical situation, as we interned the Japanese and not the Germans.) That's the tu quoque logical fallacy, a defense the German war criminals tried to use. "You did it too!"

Because one group of people sink into barbarism, doesn't mean we should as well. If that were the case, we should just cut the heads off of everyone at Gitmo and be done with it.
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What concerns me is the islamophobes* who've started making suggestions relating to stripping muslims in the West of their citizenship and deporting them. Apparently muslims are an incredibly powerful and influential group in the West, and if we do not find some kind of final solution to the Muslim problem they will act as a cancer eating the heart out of Western civilisation. This is happening because the once proud and glorious West has become too tolerant, soft and decadent. Without the will to power, we will are destined to a fate of servility to our Muslim masters. Our freedom will be smothered under the harsh veil of Sharia law. We need some kind of folk movement to wake the West to struggle against the Muslim threat that is growing from within.

*favourite Islamophobe quote: "I can't be an islamophobe because I'm not afraid of muslims - I just hate them." Second favourite: "Islam is not a race, so there's nothing wrong with wanting to deport Muslims."
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Empresident has the power, via the Patriot Act, to imprison anyone he wants, any time he wants. Further, Halliburton really is being paid a bunch of money to update the camps... and build others.

I never thought I'd see the above, at least not see it LEGAL.

I never thought I'd see warrantless wiretaps be claimed legal.

I never thought I'd see the US attacking whomever the president pleases.

Etc.

So.... can it happen? Of course.

The closer we get to an election that looks like a landslide against the Republican party, the more likely it becomes.
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