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ghost

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: Many congenial places
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: How much do real Korean teachers make compared to us? |
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Obviously a sensitive topic and not one that you can ask a Korean teacher outright, but it would be interesting to know how much Korean teachers make - those that teach in Public schools, and Universities and Teacher Training Colleges?
As a first timer in Korea, it was noticeable on arrival at Incheon Airport that Korea is developed and quite expensive, and although some aspects of the country resemble Taiwan (the lack of sidewalks, some of the stores, the appearance of the children in their school uniforms etc...), in other ways Taiwan has a blend of First World and Third World - you still see people living in very humble dwellings in Taiwan, which one has not seen in Korea.
The first day in Korea was a rude wake up call - after shopping for stuff for the new apartment - the money spent on the first day here came to 150.000 won - and that came from the 300.000 won dished out from the office on arrival at the contract Institution.
Korea, has a different buzz than Taiwan: In Taiwan, for example, all the streets are super busy from about 5.30am and there are plenty of places to eat between 6am-8am in the morning in Taiwan - small noodle restaurants etc.....which are open, but in Korea, when taking a walk in the small regional town, it was surprising to find that everything was still closed or locked down at 8am, and there was nowhere open to grab some breakfast aside from one Mini Mart type of store and a bakery. In Taiwan, everyone, including the locals, eat most of their meals out....but in Korea, eating out does not seem to be a habit, probably because more expensive, approaching First World prices.
So, back to the original question: How much do the Koreans make compared with us? Yes - we have the free accommodation (minus the heating bills) which they don't have, but perhaps their salaries are more than ours?
Thanks for any feedback you may have.
Ghost
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: How much do real Korean teachers make compared to us? |
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ghost wrote: |
As a first timer in Korea, it was noticeable on arrival at Incheon Airport that Korea is developed and quite expensive, and although some aspects of the country resemble Taiwan (the lack of sidewalks, some of the stores, the appearance of the children in their school uniforms etc...), in other ways Taiwan has a blend of First World and Third World - you still see people living in very humble dwellings in Taiwan, which one has not seen in Korea.
Korea, has a different buzz than Taiwan: In Taiwan, for example, all the streets are super busy from about 5.30am and there are plenty of places to eat between 6am-8am in the morning in Taiwan - small noodle restaurants etc.....which are open, but in Korea, when taking a walk in the small regional town, it was surprising to find that everything was still closed or locked down at 8am, and there was nowhere open to grab some breakfast aside from one Mini Mart type of store and a bakery. In Taiwan, everyone, including the locals, eat most of their meals out....but in Korea, eating out does not seem to be a habit, probably because more expensive, approaching First World prices.
Ghost |
Sorry, can't answer your first question.
Welcome to Korea. If you want to see the "third world" korea, take some trips to the countryside. You'll find a good number of folk living in broke down, more traditional places. Heck, it ain't even that hard to find such places in Seoul. You'll see.
As for eating out. Yes, it's rare in the morning. But, eating out for dinner seems like a fairly common thing, especially for business people.
Of course, all this you will learn as you spend more time here. Enjoy!
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Outside of the Taipei and Kaoshiung, it's pretty much impossible to walk all the way down a sidewalk in Taiwan. Korea's much different. I laugh at how people talk about it here. Not the same. Even Taipei can be a task for walking at times.
The all-night places in Taiwan are breakfast shops. And they're great. I ate out pretty much all the time there. Dumplings and noodles in Korea are shhit in comparison. Plus they have lajiaojiang (hot chilli sauce) to dip your food into. I especially liked show bing with bacon and cheese. Plus there were small pakistani-owned restaurants where you could pick up a beef, lamb or chicken roll for 40 NT. Noodles, dumplings, etc. were 50 NT. Really, really cheap.
As far as everyone eating out, that's not entirely true. Don't know how long you lived there.
Dwellings can be more humble, but less people per capita live in apartments in Taiwan. A lot of people lived in houses where I was (Hualien). There not big houses and they're strung together like villas, but they are much better than what even the higher income bracket live in in Korea. Maybe older at times, but much more spacious. They actually have staircases. Many of the lower icomers live in garage type dwellings, but inside the home or apartments are much bigger. They're just locked up by sliding a garage door down on the first floors.
Be it that, the homes aren't great to look at from the outside. Many people live frugally, but drive really expensive cars and have huge TVs because appearance is a big thing there.
If you want to know what a Korean teacher makes, ask them. It's not rude here. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Not to sure on how much they make but working in the public schools is a very popular career choice for Koreans thesedays as KTs are heavily unionised and therefore it's a job for life. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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You out-earn a new Korean public school teacher but we max out substantially lower than Korean long-termers. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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The tax rate would be the decider. I pay about 2-3 % tax, but Koreans would pay substantially more in tax. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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chris_J2 wrote: |
The tax rate would be the decider. I pay about 2-3 % tax, but Koreans would pay substantially more in tax. |
Well, yeah. A little bit, maybe. You should really look at the gross salary though and not factor taxes in. Your employer doesn't, or shouldn't, pay you according to how much tax you have to pay |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know where you're living, but it's certainly not hard to find Koreans living in "humble" dwellings. In my town, it's not at all unusual to find people living in what would be considered sub-standard housing: broken windows, roof tiles broken and falling off, etc. And while I haven't been to Taiwan and can't make that specific comparison, it seems to me that Koreans eat out on a much more regular basis than say, people in the States.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I think that eating out here is quite cheap. Just as cheap or cheaper than staying in and cooking, especially if you are cooking for one or don't particularly like eating ramyeon every day. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Muffin wrote: |
Korea is not cheap and Ghost may find that a disadvantage. I also had a shock my first day when I got to the checkout at E-Mart after stocking up on a few essentials.
I know Ghost budgets very strictly so I think he will find he is not disappointed by his accumulated savings at the end of the contract. It is difficult to compare living expensese with Koreans as very few live alone. I soon gave up buying food and cooking (even though I love cooking) because it is difficult to buy in small quantities and food goes off so quickly.
The free apartment deal is what makes it easy to save in Korea and although my bills were quite expensive (I had a 3 bedroom apartment in a relatively posh complex) I saved well over half my salary.
You can eat out cheaply but it takes a while to find the best places. You can buy a roll of kimbap and a bowl of soup for about 1000 won. |
Actually, Korea is pretty cheap. It's just things that you'd be paying for back home that you don't have to pay for here that are more expensive. Like housing, car loans, gas that is more expensive here and if you were driving as much here as back home, some clothes, beef, etc.
Grocery shopping though can work out to much cheaper than back home, I find. Taking a taxi can be relatively cheap in the city. In the country, it's more expensive.
Just look at the price of things like candy, soda, bottled water, guitars and other musical instruments, dental costs, cigarettes, etc.
Housing and day-to-day family expenses are expensive, but for the average foreigner temporarily teaching in Korea, it's really, really cheap.
I have a single Korean friend who save 50,000,000 Won in three or four years and he didn't have a high-paying job. He also didn't have a car. He had to pay his own rent though.
In Taiwan, looks can be deceiving. People live in pretty much holes for their whole lives and have tons of money because they're afraid to spend it. They bathe and clean dishes in cold water, conserve like the grinch on electricity, etc. |
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passport220

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I had a Korean English teacher with 6 years of experience in the public school system tell me she made about 2.7 mill. per. month. That is out here in the countryside. There was no discussion if that was gross or net. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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