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Riches await as Earth's icy north melts

 
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Riches await as Earth's icy north melts Reply with quote

Riches await as Earth's icy north melts By DOUG MELLGREN, Associated Press Writer
Sat Mar 24, 6:34 PM ET



HAMMERFEST, Norway - Barren and uninhabited, Hans Island is very hard to find on a map. Yet these days the Frisbee-shaped rock in the Arctic is much in demand � so much so that Canada and Denmark have both staked their claim to it with flags and warships.

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The reason: an international race for oil, fish, diamonds and shipping routes, accelerated by the impact of global warming on Earth's frozen north.

The latest report by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says the ice cap is warming faster than the rest of the planet and ice is receding, partly due to greenhouse gases. It's a catastrophic scenario for the Arctic ecosystem, for polar bears and other wildlife, and for Inuit populations whose ancient cultures depend on frozen waters.

But some see a lucrative silver lining of riches waiting to be snatched from the deep, and the prospect of timesaving sea lanes that could transform the shipping industry the way the Suez Canal did in the 19th century.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates the Arctic has as much as 25 percent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas. Russia reportedly sees the potential of minerals in its slice of the Arctic sector approaching $2 trillion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070324/ap_on_sc/arctic_bonanza
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bixlerscott



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is very facinating as can be. Good one. This is getting to be an age of fierce competition for acquiring natural resources and physical space itself such as land.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What fascinates me, is what is to be discovered under the ice of antarctic? A huge continent locked up in ice. Resources, fossils of animals never seen before. Ain't gonna melt down in our life time, for sure, and if it did, we might not be around in large numbers to explore it. But still.

Yeah Canada's north is in good position. Some guy, long time ago, bought a port up in Northern Manitoba on the NW Passage for chump change. The thing is frozen 90% of the year. But that isn't the case anymore. When he passes it down to his children, the place will probably be a major stop on a new trade route.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
What fascinates me, is what is to be discovered under the ice of antarctic? A huge continent locked up in ice. Resources, fossils of animals never seen before. Ain't gonna melt down in our life time, for sure, and if it did, we might not be around in large numbers to explore it. But still.

Yeah Canada's north is in good position. Some guy, long time ago, bought a port up in Northern Manitoba on the NW Passage for chump change. The thing is frozen 90% of the year. But that isn't the case anymore. When he passes it down to his children, the place will probably be a major stop on a new trade route.

It's just a shame that the land won't be much good for anything other than resource gathering and research. Even once the ice is gone, lack of soil and six-month nights don't exactly make for pleasant living conditions. Siberia for example looks like it's going to turn into the world's biggest marsh.

Here's an excellent (and long) article from the Atlantic on the potential winners and losers of global warming: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2380308

(article is subscriber-only, so linked to the somethingawful.com forums where the full text has been posted.)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been talking about this for years that global warming will have many positives for Canadians. Canadians will have more access to natural resources and so will the Scandinavians. However, there may be a problem between the Danish and Canadians regarding this matter. Depending on what's under the arctic, Canada could replace Saudi Arabia as the major exporter of oil. We may still be using oil at that time. Who knows?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't much see cause to rejoice. Won't most of that land be flooded once the ice caps melt?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
I don't much see cause to rejoice. Won't most of that land be flooded once the ice caps melt?


or rather, most coastal cities around the world.
But we mustn't let that stop us in the race to dig up more fossil fuels.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Hollywoodaction wrote:
I don't much see cause to rejoice. Won't most of that land be flooded once the ice caps melt?


or rather, most coastal cities around the world.
But we mustn't let that stop us in the race to dig up more fossil fuels.


What do you do to reduce your carbon foot print? What are you willing to give up to reduce your carbon foot print? Your car? Cheap taxis in Seoul?
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Yo!Chingo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All coastal communities are doomed... face it. I refuse to buy coastal because I know that soon it will be under water. The best bet is to buy mid west, at least in the USA, and hope for 3rd pedestal from the beach. My parents own ocean front and I keep trying to get them to sell. I say, " It'll be underwater in 50 years." "NO!!!," they say. That's a lot of money under water!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:

What do you do to reduce your carbon foot print? What are you willing to give up to reduce your carbon foot print? Your car? Cheap taxis in Seoul?


I have no car and no intention of getting one: I avoid taxis at all possible and use public transport..
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:

What do you do to reduce your carbon foot print? What are you willing to give up to reduce your carbon foot print? Your car? Cheap taxis in Seoul?


I have no car and no intention of getting one: I avoid taxis at all possible and use public transport..


He uses the same stupid line on anyone concerned about global change. Ignore him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
nautilus wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:

What do you do to reduce your carbon foot print? What are you willing to give up to reduce your carbon foot print? Your car? Cheap taxis in Seoul?


I have no car and no intention of getting one: I avoid taxis at all possible and use public transport..


He uses the same stupid line on anyone concerned about global change. Ignore him.


It's like someone who is American and thinks Bush should send in even more troops into Iraq. I always ask them a) have you served in the army? b) if no and you think it's so important to add more American bodies to Iraq, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and leave Korean and join up? I accept Nautilus' answer.

And since I use it on everyone, what about you EFL? What have you done recently? Given up going to Korean BBQ and eating meat?
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yo!Chingo wrote:
All coastal communities are doomed... face it. I refuse to buy coastal because I know that soon it will be under water. The best bet is to buy mid west, at least in the USA, and hope for 3rd pedestal from the beach. My parents own ocean front and I keep trying to get them to sell. I say, " It'll be underwater in 50 years." "NO!!!," they say. That's a lot of money under water!!!


Midwest will be the new coastal.

Seriously, I also find this joy absurd. And Im no hippie green thumb environmentalist. But "Hey, the ice is melted due to our use of fossil fuels but who cares since we can now dig up MORE fossil fuels" is a ridiculous way to think.

Time to relly push new technologies to replace oil as our primary energy source. I was hoping that the danger of global warming would push us in a new direction technolgically and give birth to new industries. In short, that it would be a boom for the economy driven by new research and new inventions. Unfortunately looks like we are stuck on oil.
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