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thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

The iceberg is the movement towards islamic dominance in Europe and the extreme measures the Euros will take to keep what is (in their mind) theirs. A big conflict is brewing. As that handout I posted earlier called it, "the inevitable civil war".

huffdaddy · Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Manner of Speaking · Joined: 09 Jan 2003

YOU KNOW, IF THE ARTIST REALLY WANTED TO OFFEND SOMEONE, A CHOCOLATE JESUS IS TOO EASY!!!

HOW ABOUT A CHOCOLATE MARTIN LUTHER KING???

EVEN BETTER - A CHOCOLATE MALCOLM X!!!

IN WHITE CHOCOLATE!!! Laughing

freethought · Joined: 13 Mar 2005

though I'm kind of sick of these muslim threads, I'll try to offer an explanation. The cultural differences are certainly one element, the level of development is another, as is economic well being.

Poverty breads violent crime. I would also say that if a Muslim country had just invaded a christian country, then the level of Christian anger might be on par with that of muslims and lead to similar results.

As to the general theme to all of these posts about muslims and islamic violence, my answer is I don't know. Religion is key. Poverty, development, and surrounding conditions (cultural, physical etc) also play a large role. Lack of education plays another major role, as does what they're actually being taught and hearing in their media and on the streets.

It's complicated.

seoulunitarian · Joined: 06 Jul 2004

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Adventurer · Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Part of the problem in France is that there is massive discrimination against the Maghrebins, so it is hard for them to escape poverty. I posted this week of how an ambititious French North African had to leave France, because even with an MBA they wouldn't give him a good job. He had to live in England. So part of the problems comes from the French people in dealing with North Africans and many French people admit this. The riots in France were discussed here to make it seem as if people were following the Quran by rioting. They weren't following Islam anymore than the people in LA in 1994. As a British teacher of mine said, people want to simplistically look at religion, because it is the easiest thing to do. He didn't discount it, and I definitely don't. Extremism is an issue, but the extremism coming from the prejudice hearts of some Europeans is also a problem that needs to be dealt with. By the way, many French Muslims supported the ban on the headscarf in France.
Muslims are not monolithic anymore than Jews are in the world.

I think what is needed is to fight against extremists inside the Middle East, promote the moderates, and those who are the moderate Sufi types who used to actually dominate the old Muslim Empire will have to come to the fore again. Looking at people with the same lens makes no sense. Lebanese Sunnis make good allies of the U.S. as a population and leadership much more than Saudi Sunnis. Obviously, people aren't simply the same. When we paint people as all generically the same, it makes it easier to encourage the public to whip into some frenzy and go to war out of fear. Does that sound familiar?