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highlander_76
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Jeongja
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 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: F visa types |
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My apologies if this is addressed conclusively elsewhere, but I could not find it. Can anyone give me a rundown of the different F-type visas, what they allow you to do, and what they DON'T allow you to do? My wife is Korean, we are legally married in the U.S. and Korea, and we are coming to Korea to live for at least a few years in June, so I want to make sure that I get the right visa type.
In particular, I am wondering if there is any F-type visa or ANY situation at all where it is fully, 100% legal to teach private lessons, and what the process would be for doing that. As far as I've been able to find on these boards, the closest you can get is to get an F-type visa and get registered with the Ministry of Education as a private tutor, but even then immigration still forbids you from doing private tutoring. Who CAN you legal work for with different F-type visas? Can I eventually get permanent residency that would allow me to tutor legally? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: Re: F visa types |
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| highlander_76 wrote: |
My apologies if this is addressed conclusively elsewhere, but I could not find it. Can anyone give me a rundown of the different F-type visas, what they allow you to do, and what they DON'T allow you to do? My wife is Korean, we are legally married in the U.S. and Korea, and we are coming to Korea to live for at least a few years in June, so I want to make sure that I get the right visa type.
In particular, I am wondering if there is any F-type visa or ANY situation at all where it is fully, 100% legal to teach private lessons, and what the process would be for doing that. As far as I've been able to find on these boards, the closest you can get is to get an F-type visa and get registered with the Ministry of Education as a private tutor, but even then immigration still forbids you from doing private tutoring. Who CAN you legal work for with different F-type visas? Can I eventually get permanent residency that would allow me to tutor legally? |
F2 is for the spouses of Korean citizens.
As long as you are registered with the education office an F2 can do teaching/tutoring.
Immigration doesn't care what job you hold if you are on an F2. The education office on the other hand won't let you register as a teacher/tutor if you do not hold a degree.
You can get F5, permanent resident status after (if i am not mistaken) 2 years with an F2. |
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highlander_76
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Jeongja
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: not cool with immigration? |
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ttompatz,
Thank you for taking the time to reply, your response is very helpful. Are you sure about this? I have read some posts that say that with an F-2, you can work at any school/business that you want, but that you are still forbidden from teaching privates. Are you certain that it is okay to teach privates? Would you then simply report that as self-employed income and then pay taxes on it like you do in the States for that kind of work? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: not cool with immigration? |
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| highlander_76 wrote: |
ttompatz,
Thank you for taking the time to reply, your response is very helpful. Are you sure about this? I have read some posts that say that with an F-2, you can work at any school/business that you want, but that you are still forbidden from teaching privates. Are you certain that it is okay to teach privates? Would you then simply report that as self-employed income and then pay taxes on it like you do in the States for that kind of work? |
I am certain that you can teach privately as long as you are registered with the local education office and you are aware that the education office still requires you to have a degree before you can register.
You will also need to pay taxes on the income just like any other business.
iImmigration does NOT CARE what gainful employment an F2 holder does because YOUR sponsor is your spouse and NOT your employer.
If you get a divorce, then that is another matter because you lose your sponsor. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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hmm...can you get the private teacher's licence with the F2 if you already have a full time job teaching..ie elementary, middle, highschool, or university?
The reason I ask... even Korean teachers can not teach private lessons...it is forbidden by the education department.
So...is it ok for us?
Yes, I know we need permission from our employers...but still...is it ok if we do have it? |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
hmm...can you get the private teacher's licence with the F2 if you already have a full time job teaching..ie elementary, middle, highschool, or university?
The reason I ask... even Korean teachers can not teach private lessons...it is forbidden by the education department.
So...is it ok for us?
Yes, I know we need permission from our employers...but still...is it ok if we do have it? |
Actually you don't need your employer's permission with an F visa. You need it with an E visa cause you'd be breaking the rules. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
hmm...can you get the private teacher's licence with the F2 if you already have a full time job teaching..ie elementary, middle, highschool, or university?
The reason I ask... even Korean teachers can not teach private lessons...it is forbidden by the education department.
So...is it ok for us?
Yes, I know we need permission from our employers...but still...is it ok if we do have it? |
Actually you don't need your employer's permission with an F visa. You need it with an E visa cause you'd be breaking the rules. |
Nope... education rules, not immigration rules....
IF you are working as a PUBLIC school TEACHER (not an after school program) the education office will NOT permit you to legally hold a 2nd job EXCEPT at another public school or University.
IF you work an after school program or work in a hakwon it is fine but why would you want to work when privates can net you 50k + per hour and working at a normal job is about 16k per hour (real time not per class time). |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: hmm |
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hmm...ok...thanks for that...
That is what I figured...I just didn't want to go down to the education department...only to be refused...and at the same time raise suspicions.
Good to know. |
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: not cool with immigration? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
If you get a divorce, then that is another matter because you lose your sponsor. |
I believe you are wrong on this situation (yes, he is wrong he isn't a god) and that if one has an F-2 visa and is divorced after 2 yrs of marriage that he retains his F-2 visa status. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure I am not.  |
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tatu
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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You lose your f-2 visa after a divorce but if you have an f-5 visa and divorce then you retain your f-5 status.
I can confirm what was earlier stated that privates are allowed on an f-2 if you register with the education board. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
hmm...can you get the private teacher's licence with the F2 if you already have a full time job teaching..ie elementary, middle, highschool, or university?
The reason I ask... even Korean teachers can not teach private lessons...it is forbidden by the education department.
So...is it ok for us?
Yes, I know we need permission from our employers...but still...is it ok if we do have it? |
Actually you don't need your employer's permission with an F visa. You need it with an E visa cause you'd be breaking the rules. |
Nope... education rules, not immigration rules....
IF you are working as a PUBLIC school TEACHER (not an after school program) the education office will NOT permit you to legally hold a 2nd job EXCEPT at another public school or University.
IF you work an after school program or work in a hakwon it is fine but why would you want to work when privates can net you 50k + per hour and working at a normal job is about 16k per hour (real time not per class time). |
Heres the question: how will they know?
Who is going to catch you if you do get caught? Immigration. The education ministry doesnt catch people. And if immigration catches you and you show them your F visa, what will they do? According to their rules, you arent doing anything illegal. They wont even know your day job because on an F-visa holder's ARC your employer isnt written anywhere on the card. Atleast mine is totally empty.
As far as divorce, the F2 is a spousal visa. No spouse? No visa. Anyone dumb enough not to get an F5 after 2 years on an F2 deserves to lose it. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
hmm...can you get the private teacher's licence with the F2 if you already have a full time job teaching..ie elementary, middle, highschool, or university?
The reason I ask... even Korean teachers can not teach private lessons...it is forbidden by the education department.
So...is it ok for us?
Yes, I know we need permission from our employers...but still...is it ok if we do have it? |
Actually you don't need your employer's permission with an F visa. You need it with an E visa cause you'd be breaking the rules. |
Nope... education rules, not immigration rules....
IF you are working as a PUBLIC school TEACHER (not an after school program) the education office will NOT permit you to legally hold a 2nd job EXCEPT at another public school or University.
IF you work an after school program or work in a hakwon it is fine but why would you want to work when privates can net you 50k + per hour and working at a normal job is about 16k per hour (real time not per class time). |
Heres the question: how will they know?
Who is going to catch you if you do get caught? Immigration. The education ministry doesnt catch people. And if immigration catches you and you show them your F visa, what will they do? According to their rules, you arent doing anything illegal. They wont even know your day job because on an F-visa holder's ARC your employer isnt written anywhere on the card. Atleast mine is totally empty.
As far as divorce, the F2 is a spousal visa. No spouse? No visa. Anyone dumb enough not to get an F5 after 2 years on an F2 deserves to lose it. |
If you work at a school, the school must register you with the local education office.
The education office are the ones who issue a permit to work as a private teacher/tutor.
If you are registered as a teacher the education office will NOT issue you a permit to work as a tutor.
Can you work illegally under the table as a tutor while working as a teacher? Yes.
Similar things happens at home too. Ever hired a contractor for cash under the table to avoid building permits and taxes?
Perhaps he is NOT a licenced contractor but he is cheap so you get him to do the job for cash.
Just because you can operate a business without a business licence does NOT make it legal. It happens but that doesn't make it legal. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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So let's say someone is here on an E2 Visa. Someone's sppouse is here and has obtained the F2. Said spouse can speak English and Korean but has no degree. Is said spouse able to perform private tutoring in either English or Korean. Even without a degree the spouse is quite capable at tutoring both.
cbc |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
So let's say someone is here on an E2 Visa. Someone's sppouse is here and has obtained the F2. Said spouse can speak English and Korean but has no degree. Is said spouse able to perform private tutoring in either English or Korean. Even without a degree the spouse is quite capable at tutoring both.
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If you are here on an E2, your spouse cannot get an F2.
F2 is for a person married to a Korean citizen.
If you are not Korean and you marry a Korean you would get an F2.
If you are not Korean and your spouse is NOT Korean AND one of you had an E2 the other would get an F3. It is illegal to work on an F3 without special permission from immigration.
If you are not Korean and your spouse is not Korean and you both qualify for an E2, you can both get E2s. If one of you quits you can change to F3 without leaving the country by using your spouse as your visa sponsor. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Thats fine but impractical
An example:
F5 holder
teacher but place of employment is not registered at immigration
teaching at a place of business as is his right to do under his visa
Immigration comes around and "catches" him.
What happens when he shows them his F5? |
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