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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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From what I recall, most kids went through school without coming accross the Holocaust anyway. In First year you did the stone age up to the Romans and finally the Anglo-Saxon invasion. In second year you studied medieaval Kings and Queens, the murder in the Cathedral, the princes in the tower etc and fascinating 12th century torture and execution techniques, and in Third year you did the industrial revolution. Only those who chose to go on and do a History O'level ever got a glimpse of 20th century history. Maybe things have changed since Ah were a lass. |
I did GCSE History in 1995 and this is my recollection as well. Holocaust and of course at that level of enquiry the emotive aspects to it were studied. My school was mainly white.
In any case, the Guardian said:
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A Department for Education and Skills spokesman said: "It's up to schools to make a judgment on non-compulsory parts of the national curriculum. It is a broad framework and there is scope for schools to make their own decisions."
Teaching of the Holocaust is expected to become compulsory under the new national curriculum from next year.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/secondworldwar/story/0,,2048082,00.html |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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I don't people should jump the gun about PC culture in Brittania. That isn't fair. After all, they expelled a teacher who was wearing a burqa. Did they not? They also stripped a fanatic of his British citizenship and expelled him. They also put on trial some idiot who uttered violent things at a protest in England and said at his trial that he didn't think he would be taken literally. So the English are taking the fanatics seriously. |
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Travelous Maximus

Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Location: Nueva Anglia
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm not trying to be rude, but I think that Muslims should try to become more open minded. The Holocaust is an undeniable fact that affected the lives of millions of people world wide. To not teach future generations about such an atrocity would mean to deny them a chance to learn what NOT to do when they will be in positions of power. I believe teaching these subjects is vitally important for the human race to learn from our collective mistakes so we can hopefully avoid making them again in the future. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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I have been attacked time and time again for saying that this stuff was happening. Here is the evidence. Now, for the (formerly, now, I hope) committed mulitcult types, how do we undo this damage? |
Is it that much worse than Christians demanding that intelligent design, aka creationism, be taught in the public schools? It it that much worse than Native Americans stripping every school of their Native American name and mascot? Is it that much worse than this?
Point is, this crap is not restrained to Islam. I have no more reason to believe that Islam is a threat to Western society than Christianity or Native Americans are.
BTW, why is it okay for you to use the term "multicult," but you feel Islamphobe is inappropriate? Tis a double standard, is it not? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
I have been attacked time and time again for saying that this stuff was happening. Here is the evidence. Now, for the (formerly, now, I hope) committed mulitcult types, how do we undo this damage? |
Is it that much worse than Christians demanding that intelligent design, aka creationism, be taught in the public schools? It it that much worse than Native Americans stripping every school of their Native American name and mascot? Is it that much worse than this?
Point is, this crap is not restrained to Islam. I have no more reason to believe that Islam is a threat to Western society than Christianity or Native Americans are.
BTW, why is it okay for you to use the term "multicult," but you feel Islamphobe is inappropriate? Tis a double standard, is it not? |
"Much worse". Take all these little isolated incidents sum-total and yes, this is much, much worse.
You are free to use islamophobe if you want. I think that makes you a dhimmni, but to each his own. I'll use multicult, and you are free to think of that what you will. Mostly I do it because multicultural is a long word and I always misspell it. Also, it seems to egg the right people on. People who may not have ever considered the Canadian religion as anything but heavenly.
Anyways.
Turkey, was once the center of Christianity huff. Things change, cultures go away. Permanence is a dangerous assumption. The West will not last forever.
Anyhow, we all know where this will go from here. Shall we just save it until the next time? The iran and iraq issues are much more interesting for right now. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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And why aren't you screaming about all the regular school teachers who DO NOT teach about the holocaust.
I have much anecdotal experience to confirm this is very much the case.
There is also much factual evidence in this regard.
My point even more pointedly; this is in no way an issue of not offending Muslims (and if you think so, you are very deranged), it is more an issue of our own western cultural sensibilities and ignorances....
I remember many discussions about teaching the holocaust in many staff rooms back home. Many teachers had NO understanding of it, and as a result, just glossed or didn't even deal with it. Especially sad, this being a seminal event in western consciousness (along with WW1, industrialization and I'd also say, technology more and more) . I'd say not more than 1 teacher in 100 would even know who Primo Levi is/was.....pity and sad.
Celan would still be jumping into the Seine should he have lived today...and still muttering his famous lines...(much better in the German)
''Black milk of daybreak we drink it at evening / we drink it at midday and morning we drink it at night,''
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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BJWD wrote: |
"Much worse". Take all these little isolated incidents sum-total and yes, this is much, much worse. |
In degree, sure. In scope, no. How many schools are avoiding the Holocaust versus how many schools have dropped their Native American mascot? Hint: the latter aren't little isolated incidents. Especially to the people affected. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Just reread this whole thread, a little more slowly than the first time. I'd like to add.....
ED209 -- Thanks for posting that article, exactly what this is about....
Jinju wrote,
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So Im wondering which member of the L.S.B. will be first in this thread to call us racist because we dont respect muslim holocaust deniers. IGTG? He's an anti-semite anyway, so I can see him feeling a brotherhood with these people. Ddeubel? He defends muslims on every issue. Hite? He loves Hitler so maybe he will be here to crack some jokes about the holocaust. |
Jinju, you are a yahoo. Simple as that, simple as can be. Keep to your blow 'em up video games and if you do have something to say, please say it with intelligence and not just emotional bluster. Post an article or insightful question from time to time. Otherwise, just keep stroking your own insecurities.....I also will add, Hitler is for me, "an evil" and cut of the same cloth as those who spout as yourself. I also don't crack jokes about the holocaust, rather I've educated myself about it. I'd recommend maybe you start there.....PM me for some easy readers.
BJWD,
Sick how you mention the imams who were thrown off that plane. Sick how you twist and mis-state the whole affair. They did NO such provoking. The provocation was a figment, a fear and deep misunderstanding of Muslim culture that Americans have -- no thanks to the media and people like yourself.... Once again you twist any little incident into some kind of "oh my god, we are letting the Muslim world take over!!!". Nincompoop. CAIR pushes on with their lawsuit and will win unless political considerations twist the law. Hopefully still in America, all men are equal before the law and have some inalienable rights.
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mack4289

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
I have been attacked time and time again for saying that this stuff was happening. Here is the evidence. Now, for the (formerly, now, I hope) committed mulitcult types, how do we undo this damage? |
Is it that much worse than Christians demanding that intelligent design, aka creationism, be taught in the public schools? It it that much worse than Native Americans stripping every school of their Native American name and mascot? Is it that much worse than this?
Point is, this crap is not restrained to Islam. I have no more reason to believe that Islam is a threat to Western society than Christianity or Native Americans are.
BTW, why is it okay for you to use the term "multicult," but you feel Islamphobe is inappropriate? Tis a double standard, is it not? |
So, to take one example, St. John's (an American university in New York City) changing their name from the Redmen to the Red Storm really compares to neglecting to teach a genocide or to teaching a thoroughly discredited pseudo-science as if it might have some basis in fact? Really?
Instead of using this as a chance to rant about how PC culture is destroying our schools, we should be asking the more important question: why did the Zionists make them stop teaching the Holocaust? How does this help in their plan for world domination? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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DD, you read? Because your reading comprehension is not up to par. In my post I never said you crack jokes about the holocaust, I said your pal Hite does. About you I said
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Ddeubel? He defends muslims on every issue |
And looky here, you are in this thread, as expected. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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This behaviour is politically incorrect in my view, because it doesn't promote debate in a democratic society and also integration. However, I also think ignoring some of the less palatable things done by Britain or the US in other countries to also be a problem. People are not open enough to discourse regarding both the Jews and the Arabs. I hope the two will settle their problems, so we can hear less of this stuff. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Question (hope it doesn't "offend" anyone):
Between history & the past, which is the ONLY ONE that ever changes?
If a tree falls in the forest ... |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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if enough people think like you we'll get our clash of civilisations soon enough |
Is a clash of civilisations caused by people who want to establish Shariah in the West, or is it caused by Westerners pointing out the idiocy of allowing the mass immigration of people whose values are diametrically opposed to ours into the West? |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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The provocation was a figment, a fear and deep misunderstanding of Muslim culture that Americans |
Nothing to do with Muslims previously hijacking planes then. |
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otis

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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A lot of Europeans still have problems with the Jews.
What's up with that? |
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