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YANKS GO HOME? TIME TO REASSESS THE U.S. COMMITMENT
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: YANKS GO HOME? TIME TO REASSESS THE U.S. COMMITMENT Reply with quote

Anyone who reads even a smattering of my posts on this forum knows I'm American, a supporter of our military efforts worldwide (for the most part) and (until now) an advocate for a strong American presence in world affairs.

While not willing to drive down the road to the kind of isolationism that Wilson lamented and FDR feared, I have serious doubts about our continued commitment to the defense of South Korea (among other places).

I ask: why should we spend billions supporting them and risking our troops when communism is a dead letter in all but a few states? Most South Korean youth, labor unions, ultranationalists, and of course socialists don't want us here anyhow. So I say let them deal with the DPRK on their own sun shining terms.

Look homeward, GI. We don't owe these people anything. I'm not trying to sound bitter, just realistic. Our troop deployment is stretched to the limit as it is and the Islamofascists in Iran may need a serious a-ss kicking before all is said and done.

So let's pull down the tent poles, roll up the gear and duffle bags and head on out.

Is there agreement in this matter on this forum?
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're failing to look long term Steve.

Yes, most of America's attention is focused on the gloabl war on terror. However, northeast Asia is still an extremely strategic part of the globe.

Especially when you factor in the growth of China (and their military) and the likelyhood that the North Korean state will eventually succumb to virus that eating then within.

Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.

Beleive me, I don't think the American forces want to be here any more than you do. But at the same time if they want to preserve their interests and stay top dog on this planet they probably have to stay.
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stealth_fighter



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: YANKS GO HOME? TIME TO REASSESS THE U.S. COMMITMENT Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
So let's pull down the tent poles, roll up the gear and duffle bags and head on out. [/b]



You'd better do that!
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that US forces should pull out. The majority of the korean population seem to want that, in private at least. Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.

And there are bigger fish to fry in the middle east.
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
I agree that US forces should pull out. The majority of the korean population seem to want that, in private at least. Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.

And there are bigger fish to fry in the middle east.


I agree with this.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Steve McGarret rant, what's new. Please tell me you didn't get this idea from reading Michelle Malkin's hate infest webpage.

It's bad enough people in the CE forum have to listen to your shit, now your posting it in the General Discussion forum.

Really what the HELL does this have to do with living in Korea. Answer: NOTHING!
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yesman



Joined: 15 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that we should be pulling troops out of the Middle East, not putting more in.
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we've got a pretty sweet deal here with the koreans, we aren't spending much more than if we kept the same number of troops stationed at home. Not to mention the strategic ability we maintain by keeping troops on the peninsula. And while privately, alot of koreans MAY want us gone, the protestors are usually the same group of farmers and religous zealots that show up every time. Although alot of older korean men that actually were around back in the 50's understand and appreciate our presence.
We've got bigger worries that leaving korea, we're already dropping out of seoul in a few years.
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilwaukieGrave:

What makes it qualifies as a rant? Your response is a rant, given that it contributes nothing to the discussion. But then you have string cheese for brains.

Nothing to do with Korea? It has everything to do with Korea which anyone who was peeking at the world from under a Holstein would understand.

endo:

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Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.


I hear what you're saying but, really, of what strategic value is South Korea? Let them stand up on their own two feet. I don't think it's China's military might that's the threat but its economic reach, which WTO membership rightly protects. I think we should use at least the threat of the pullout to gain financial concessions from the government in Seoul and to warn others of the consequences of complacency.

nautilus:

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Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.


This gets to the heart of the issue.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilwaukieGrave:

What makes it qualify as a rant? Your response is a rant, given that it contributes nothing to the discussion. But then you have string cheese for brains.

Nothing to do with Korea? It has everything to do with Korea which anyone who isn't peeking at the world from under a Holstein would understand.

endo:

Quote:
Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.


I hear what you're saying but, really, of what strategic value is South Korea? Let them stand up on their own two feet. I don't think it's China's military might that's the threat but its economic reach, which WTO membership rightly protects. I think we should use at least the threat of the pullout to gain financial concessions from the government in Seoul and to warn others of the consequences of complacency.

nautilus:

Quote:
Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.


Precisely.


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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilwaukieGrave:

What makes it qualifies as a rant? Your response is a rant, given that it contributes nothing to the discussion. But then you have string cheese for brains.

Nothing to do with Korea? It has everything to do with Korea which anyone who was peeking at the world from under a Holstein would understand.

endo:

Quote:
Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.


I hear what you're saying but, really, of what strategic value is South Korea? Let them stand up on their own two feet. I don't think it's China's military might that's the threat but its economic reach, which WTO membership rightly protects. I think we should use at least the threat of the pullout to gain financial concessions from the government in Seoul and to warn others of the consequences of complacency.

nautilus:

Quote:
Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.


Precisely.
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilwaukieGrave:

What makes it qualifies as a rant? Your response is a rant, given that it contributes nothing to the discussion. But then you have string cheese for brains.

Nothing to do with Korea? It has everything to do with Korea which anyone who isn't peeking at the world from under a Holstein would understand.

endo:

Quote:
Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.


I hear what you're saying but, really, of what strategic value is South Korea? Let them stand up on their own two feet. I don't think it's China's military might that's the threat but its economic reach, which WTO membership rightly protects. I think we should use at least the threat of the pullout to gain financial concessions from the government in Seoul and to warn others of the consequences of complacency.

nautilus:

Quote:
Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.


Precisely.


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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilwaukieGrave:

What makes it qualifies as a rant? Your response is a rant, given that it contributes nothing to the discussion. But then you have string cheese for brains.

Nothing to do with Korea? It has everything to do with Korea which anyone who was peeking at the world from under a Holstein would understand.

endo:

Quote:
Now there are still forces in Japan, Taiwan, and what seems to be a regrowth in the Philippines; however, South Korea still serves a strategic purpose.


I hear what you're saying but, really, of what strategic value is South Korea? Let them stand up on their own two feet. I don't think it's China's military might that's the threat but its economic reach, which WTO membership rightly protects. I think we should use at least the threat of the pullout to gain financial concessions from the government in Seoul and to warn others of the consequences of complacency.

nautilus:

Quote:
Its time Korea faced up to the implications of being as anti american as they are.


This gets to the heart of the issue.


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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree. The USA does not need to police the world. Especially Korea and the Middle East.

The only exception I might make is Japan.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy $hit Steve!

A quadruple post!
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