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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Nautilus, are you employed through your school or a higher office of education? |
GEPIK.
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| If I remember Nautilus' first posting correctly, there is no rule about beards and nothing in the contract about it. It's like the boss saying "I want you to wear only red shirts because Korean's like red. Reds go together." It's his bosses preference, nothing more. |
What the other teachers explained to me afterwards was that a mother had complained about it and 1 or 2 kids had been "scared" by it. Apparently the clampdown was due to there being parents day (which was 2 days later).
If they'd made a polite request I would have had no problem with it.
Not sure what to do now...If it got nasty they might dredge up stuff from months ago. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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If they'd made a polite request I would have had no problem with it.
Not sure what to do now...If it got nasty they might dredge up stuff from months ago. |
Get "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar" translated into Korean and hand to your boss(es). |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Nautilus, are you employed through your school or a higher office of education? |
GEPIK.
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| If I remember Nautilus' first posting correctly, there is no rule about beards and nothing in the contract about it. It's like the boss saying "I want you to wear only red shirts because Korean's like red. Reds go together." It's his bosses preference, nothing more. |
What the other teachers explained to me afterwards was that a mother had complained about it and 1 or 2 kids had been "scared" by it. Apparently the clampdown was due to there being parents day (which was 2 days later). Sometimes it takes a stronger man to accept that there are some things are better left as they are, and some things that are worth fighting for. A beard? I don't think so.
If they'd made a polite request I would have had no problem with it.
Not sure what to do now...If it got nasty they might dredge up stuff from months ago. |
Look around you: no beards. It's convention here, at least in schools. A little bit of conformism isn't asking too much. I'd understand if you had the beard before you got the job, and your photo displayed as much. But, this appears not to be the case. By all means, there's nothing wrong with stubble - I frequently go to school one week in arrears. Not only are you disrespecting the Korean hierarchical system but you're also not in harmony with your surroundings.
I'm all for standing up for yourself when you're in the right, but in this case you have to accept that Korea is not the same as your homeland. Sometimes it takes a stronger man to accept the situation and realise that there are more important things that need fighting. A beard? I don't think so. At least, not yet. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Nautilus, are you employed through your school or a higher office of education? |
GEPIK.
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| If I remember Nautilus' first posting correctly, there is no rule about beards and nothing in the contract about it. It's like the boss saying "I want you to wear only red shirts because Korean's like red. Reds go together." It's his bosses preference, nothing more. |
What the other teachers explained to me afterwards was that a mother had complained about it and 1 or 2 kids had been "scared" by it. Apparently the clampdown was due to there being parents day (which was 2 days later). Sometimes it takes a stronger man to accept that there are some things are better left as they are, and some things that are worth fighting for. A beard? I don't think so.
If they'd made a polite request I would have had no problem with it.
Not sure what to do now...If it got nasty they might dredge up stuff from months ago. |
Look around you: no beards. It's convention here, at least in schools. A little bit of conformism isn't asking too much. I'd understand if you had the beard before you got the job, and your photo displayed as much. But, this appears not to be the case. By all means, there's nothing wrong with stubble - I frequently go to school one week in arrears. Not only are you disrespecting the Korean hierarchical system but you're also not in harmony with your surroundings.
I'm all for standing up for yourself when you're in the right, but in this case you have to accept that Korea is not the same as your homeland. Sometimes it takes a stronger man to accept the situation and realise that there are more important things that need fighting. A beard? I don't think so. At least, not yet. |
It's also common to wear pink and grope other men in a friendly way. While I think there is nothing wrong with this, I am not really into it. It's also common not to wear seatbelts in the back. Sorry, but this post deserves all the replies I am sure it will get. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I assure you GEPIK has many other native teachers with beards and I'm willing to bet there's no rule against it.
Don't conform. Your school officials obviously know there's nothing dangerous about a beard as you had one for so long. Kids were scared? Teach them about war and disease and give them something legitimate to be scared of.
When all else fails, hold up your contract and say "I didn't agree." |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| (2)In the case of the proviso of paragraph (1), the approval of the Minister of Labor shall be obtained regarding the causes attributable to a worker. |
That means that they would have to agree with the reason as to why a person was fired and not deserving of a notice period.
You're not telling me anything new here. Back when I worked in Korean Immigration, I had to occasionally explain to many a Whitie McWhite that they could in-fact be (or more accurately, had just been) fired without notice or severence for bringing the boom hammer down on themselves when they has mistakenly thought they were sporting the immunity stick.
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| If I remember Nautilus' first posting correctly, there is no rule about beards and nothing in the contract about it. It's like the boss saying "I want you to wear only red shirts because Korean's like red. Reds go together." It's his bosses preference, nothing more. |
When I did some temp work at a high school for kids destined for university, it was made exceptionally clear to me that I was to dress the role of a gifted educator and be clean shaven as that was policy of the district. Though that was most likely that this policy was brought to my attention because I had been requested I go there immediately and had just finished a "meet the Canadian!" at a young grade-school class and was dressed in as much prop clothing as I could (hockey jersey, hiking shoes, etc.).
While it's possible that the "no beard" thing was done a whim, it was my understanding when I was there that it pretty much was standard across the board. Which is unfortunate, as I look great in a prom dress. |
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Travelous Maximus
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Location: Nueva Anglia
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| T-bag him. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| You made a decision Nautilus, I say go with it. I highly doubt they'll fire you. It will be worth too much trouble on their part -- if it was hagwon, maybe, but definitely not a public school -- and in the end you'll have come out on the higher ground. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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1. I have a question. All those pictures of the Korean guys on the money have beards. Did they really have beards back then or | | | |
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