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[hanguker]

Hey guys,

I found two great articles regarding resolution and contrast ratios to consider when buying an HDTV. They are really enlightening and may make you reconsider spending the extra bucks on 1080p (though it is sweet...).

If you don't want to read, the basic idea is:

1. If you buy a 42 inch HDTV you must sit MAXIMUM 7ft away and ideally 5ft away to tell any difference between 1020p and 720p.
32 inch?...well you will have you mother yelling at you not to sit so close to the TV if you want to see 1080p.

2. Contrast ratio is bunk in a non-theater room. If you have even 1 lux (1 small candle power) of light in a room, anything over 500:1 contrast is useless because the light will counter it. 30 lux (dimly lit room) = max of 50:1. This 10000:1 stuff being advertised...bunk! 1million won extra please...

So watch the bunk and buy a cheaper TV if you don't need all the "specs". I hope you find this as useful as I did. It solved most of the tricky questions I've had about HDTV.

Don't believe me...read the articles. Don't forget the comments at the bottom, as there are some other opinions. BTW: This guy supports very high resolution. He's a videophile, but he's realistic.

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

http://www.carltonbale.com/2007/01/the-truth-about-inflated-hdtv-contrast-ratios/

[hanguker]

Another interesting read:


The Case against 1080p
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html?tag=ms

[gsxr750r]

As an owner of a 1080P XCanvas 42" model, this is what I've been saying all along.

I just helped my gf purchase a 1080i resolution 32" TV, and it looks stunning in 1080i.

As of today, I also own a Sony PS3 (includes Bluray player inside) and am now watching Casino Royale on Bluray. Stunning.

Worth paying a premium price for the difference?

Not at all. Stick with 1080i and get a bigger set for the money.

[rocklee]

I've already written a very simple analogy comparing the 2. There is no need to elaborate more on the subject.

1080p is better for slow-med movement movies with the highest quality and resolution at a reasonable distance. Having said that, I cannot complain at all with the FullHD movies that I have except for the fact that I need a faster and more powerful player to play them (PS3 is out of the question).

[hanguker]

hmmm....I'm not really concerned about whether or not you think my post is a valid addition to your invaluable information rocklee. I just posted this to give people a link to some credible, well-explained information about buying an HDTV.

If you think your information is more useful...that's just peachy for you and I hope you feel warm inside. but I like this guys take on it.

[rocklee]

There has been several discussions about HDTV already.

My point is, what are you really trying to say?

That those who bought Full HDTVs made the wrong decision?

Here's another analogy. Compare the old CRT TV with modern LCDs. The TV's pixels are divided into sets of emitting lights of only 3 colours where as the LCDs have just one pixel for a colour not restricted to red, blue or green. Close up, you can see every pixels on the TV including the blacks between them. From a certain distance it gets a bit better because your eye's can't separate the differences as easily. That was what the old technology depended on for years and it worked for millions of viewers as long as you weren't sitting close. For more on the subject, go here : http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm

With modern LCD screens not only can you increase their physical sizes, you could also increase their resolution resulting in far better image quality. Again, compare JPG images of difference resolutions projected at the same size.

Having said that, 480 resolution just wasn't designed for large screen or projector viewing. Likewise 720 isn't as good as 1080.

My viewing distance is 5-6 feet but varies depending on what I'm using my monitor for. Close up, the resolution is perfect when using Windows. From a distance it plays DIVX, AVI, TS really well. I'm not sayinig that my screen is the best since slice bread as 1440p will succeed it sooner or later. My current TV monitor fits my needs perfectly and I think I've made the right decision.

Another point to add, if the video looks inferior, don't blame the TV blame the source.

What is there to debate?

BTW, I don't need that attitude when I'm just lending my opinion on the subject I might know well.

[hanguker]

You started with the snide, pretentious comment, buddy. If you can't be constructive, keep off my wave.

BTW- my point is painfully clear if you take the time to read. No need for me to reiterate...but I will say it again in an excruciatingly simple way...just for you...

720p is great for MOST people who sit at regular viewing distances and an extremely high contrast ratio is not very important if you are watching in a non-home theater (i.e pitch dark) environment. So..for people who have more brains than money, a cheaper alternative would be 720p with a reasonable contrast ratio. Some people may be able to save a lot of money with this advice.

[rocklee]

[hanguker]

likewise...

Stay off my threads...I'll stay off yours

[Gideon]

If you dont want to spend the extra bucks on an hdtv or if you want hdtv on your current TV then i would suggest u buy the New NEOYA X2VGA2 2.0 fully support 1080p

HERE, check it out:

http://www.x2vga.com/

I just ordered one for my 32' LCD flat panel and my NEC lcd projector that doesnt support HDTV. With this new gadget i can watch and play games on HD at 1080p for 59.99 US.

I'll keep u updated once i get it.

[hanguker]

hey Gideon,

I'm a little confused about your post. You can't make your regular TV have HDTV with an add-on like that. A regular TV just doesn't have the resolution. You can watch HDTV on a regular TV with nothing added to it, you just won't have the clarity.

Your 32 inch LCD will definitely be HD resolution so you don't need that contraption you're talking about. It will play HD games no problem. You just need a VGA connector for xbox360 if your LCD is only a monitor and not a TV.

I must be misreading your post or something...

or I'm not sure what this contraption does. I think it upscales DVD and old consoles (like ps2) so that they look better on an HDTV.

Was this helpful

[Missile Command Kid]

Don't worry, hanguker. This is typical rocklee behaviour. Ignore him.

[Gideon]

Did you look at the website?

My lcd flat panel only has a 15 pin monitor input.. thats it!! Its a samsung model that was only used for gaming.. i.e. the coex mall xbox gaming centre.. i thought i could use the HDTV cable from my xbox 360 (green-red-blue cables) and so i bought a component to 15pin monitor cable thinking it would work, but no luck. My 32' LCD flat panel is the same as a pc monitor not a 32' LCD Flat panel TV that has component inputs .. like i said it came from the ceox mall xbox gaming centre.

I think samsung in conjunction with XBOX must have used a convertor box of some kind at coex when they had the gaming centre set up.

Anyway, i need this NEOYA box in order for my xbox 360 to work in HD.. yes , yes i know the xbox 360 comes with HDTV and in fact there is a switch for it on the cable.. but its not working because my lcd flat panel monitor ONLY has the 15 pin computer input. A component TO 15pin monitor cable will not allow u to steam the signal into the monitor unless the monitor has HD hardware. Mine doesnt and so i need to use a convertor.

Following me now?

You are right about the device i was referring to, that it would not give a regular tv HD capabilities.. my bad, i was in a rush when i wrote it.

The neoya device is designed to work with any gaming console or video device that has a standard component video output, such as the Playstation 3, Playstation 2, Wii, GameCube, Xbox 360, and Xbox, etc. With the Neoya X2VGA 2.0 and a standard VGA monitor, users can play their favorite games at 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p resolutions


Check out the neoya site and you'll understand what i am trying to explain.

cheers

[hanguker]

Check this out...I'm pretty sure this is what you need for your xbox. You don't need that wacky converter box...just a vga monitor adaptor. That's most likely what they were using at the coex. You can then attach your xbox to any computer monitor with a VGA input (which yours has). Hope this saves you some money!

http://hardware.teamxbox.com/reviews/xbox-360/40/Xbox-360-VGA-HD-AV-Cable/p1/

good luck

EDIT: btw - you can buy "no name brands" of these cables really cheap online in Korea. I think I saw one for 12K the other day.

[Gideon]

I also have that cable and it doesnt work.. um not sure if my lcd panel is working or not.. but i'll be able to rule out the problem once i get that box..

That cable retails for 39.99 and the box is 59.99.. only 20 bucks more and i can use it on my lcd projector to watch HD movies.

thanks for the info.. i'll let everyone know what its like , that is if it works.. lol

cheers