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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: Qualfied Teachers in China, Thailand - but Korea..... |
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I look at other boards from other places and see all these well qualified teachers making 400-500 US A month and wonder why they don't come to Korea where they can make so much more. Sure those other places look attractive but I save twice as much as I would even be able to make in those places |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've wondered this myself, and I attribute it to a surprising number of people who don't look at money when they are going abroad. They look at country, culture, travel, etc. I can't keep from thinking they are kind of being taken advantage of by company's who still charge large tuitition fees, yet put the money in the owner's pockets, and not the teachers. I know for a fact of one large chain of schools in China that teaches B.C. curriculum from Canada, and where students can go straight into Uni in Canada, but who's teachers are paid less than teachers in Korea. They also have to put up with all the hassles of daily life in China, like water shutting off, pipes bursting, electricity crashing, etc. But, if you are doing it for a year, and money is not your first objective, than I can see where these people are coming from. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Short answer, food, sex and sunshine, baby. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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jaganath69 wrote: |
Short answer, food, sex and sunshine, baby. |
1. You work more in China than in Korea.
2. You can live like a king on 500 or 600 a month in most places in China.
3. When teaching kids you have an assistant with you in the class room
helping you.
4. Your assistant will get all the material ready for you. So all you have to do is go to class and teach.
5. If you work for a university you get 3 months paid vacation.
6. It is each to get extra work in China. Like teaching or your own
business.
7. I have never been paid late in China.
8. Ten dollars can get you a three hour massage or a three hour special
massage.
10. When you get a hair cut in most places you also get a massage.
11. The people in China or a lot more friendlier than they are in Korea.
12. It is not common when you have a party in China. It is about 75
percent foreigner and 25 chinese at the party.
13. It does not matter if you are old, fat, and ugly, you still can have a
beautiful girlfriend.
14. Lot's lot's and lot,s or free food and beer.
15. You can go to a bar and never have to buy any beer.
16. When you go out to eat you get more food and at a cheaper price. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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The question shouldn't be how to bring these qualified teachers, but how to properly train and keep the ones that are already in Korea?
I got a feeling that because alot of people go to these places because of reasons other than money, that these places are able to retain their teachers longer than schools here in Korea.
Also keep in mind that places like China and Thailand seem to welcome foreigners or many people tend to think of foreigners more objectively then Koreans do, who tend to make a blanket judgement about ALL foreigners based on the actions of a few or what they see and hear in the media.
Something to think about... |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Once I am debt free I would like to teach in a country that appeals more to me. Frankly, people are here for the money-or the vast majority are. I know many teachers in SE Asia and they are my age (30-something) and debt free. They live there for the beauty and adventure. I would love to work in Eastern Europe or SE Asia but with my debt, it's not possible. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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"lowpo" makes China sound great, but others have different opinions. How many times has it been said if you aren't at peace in Korea, you won'tlike China at all? |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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lowpo wrote: |
jaganath69 wrote: |
Short answer, food, sex and sunshine, baby. |
1. You work more in China than in Korea.
2. You can live like a king on 500 or 600 a month in most places in China.
3. When teaching kids you have an assistant with you in the class room
helping you.
4. Your assistant will get all the material ready for you. So all you have to do is go to class and teach.
5. If you work for a university you get 3 months paid vacation.
6. It is each to get extra work in China. Like teaching or your own
business.
7. I have never been paid late in China.
8. Ten dollars can get you a three hour massage or a three hour special
massage.
10. When you get a hair cut in most places you also get a massage.
11. The people in China or a lot more friendlier than they are in Korea.
12. It is not common when you have a party in China. It is about 75
percent foreigner and 25 chinese at the party.
13. It does not matter if you are old, fat, and ugly, you still can have a
beautiful girlfriend.
14. Lot's lot's and lot,s or free food and beer.
15. You can go to a bar and never have to buy any beer.
16. When you go out to eat you get more food and at a cheaper price. |
You forgot more delicious food & beer.
& more globally-minded (ie: friendly to foreigners) people. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Another benefit would be not having to deal with "Korean princesses".
I like women who are level headed and intelligent.
Very HARD to find these in Korea. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere in America
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Remember this !
There are many ESL teachers in China and Thailand want to come korea to teach, but they are not qualified ( no degrees ), 95 % of native teachers in China and Thailand don't have degrees, so we are talking of 5% qualified teachers.
I've heard that China and Thailand have many WEIRD ESL teachers 
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dev wrote: |
lowpo wrote: |
jaganath69 wrote: |
Short answer, food, sex and sunshine, baby. |
1. You work more in China than in Korea.
2. You can live like a king on 500 or 600 a month in most places in China.
3. When teaching kids you have an assistant with you in the class room
helping you.
4. Your assistant will get all the material ready for you. So all you have to do is go to class and teach.
5. If you work for a university you get 3 months paid vacation.
6. It is each to get extra work in China. Like teaching or your own
business.
7. I have never been paid late in China.
8. Ten dollars can get you a three hour massage or a three hour special
massage.
10. When you get a hair cut in most places you also get a massage.
11. The people in China or a lot more friendlier than they are in Korea.
12. It is not common when you have a party in China. It is about 75
percent foreigner and 25 chinese at the party.
13. It does not matter if you are old, fat, and ugly, you still can have a
beautiful girlfriend.
14. Lot's lot's and lot,s or free food and beer.
15. You can go to a bar and never have to buy any beer.
16. When you go out to eat you get more food and at a cheaper price. |
You forgot more delicious food & beer.
& more globally-minded (ie: friendly to foreigners) people. |
Yes you are right the food is far more delicious in China than Korea. Yes, it is wonderful to set down to dinner and have 5 to 8 diferent dishes to choose from.
It is also nice to walk down street and a beautiful girl smile at you. Instead of just looking straight ahead with a blank look on their face. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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MissSeoul wrote: |
Remember this !
95 % of native teachers in China and Thailand don't have degrees  |
Can you provide any proof of the statistic you are posting or is this some random figure from your head?
China's a trendy country now for teachers, so I think they're getting a lot of good teachers too.
From the job postings I have seen for China, most of the best jobs at reputable international schools and universities are actually very demanding qualification-wise. They usually demand Master's degrees, years of teaching experience, and TESOL with credentials confirmed by sealed trascripts from your university and references that they can check.
The crap / fake teahcers are working in the crap private language schools in China that are equally deplorable. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Ms. Seoul, There is a BIG difference between hearsay and actually being there and knowing people who live or have been there.
I beg to differ because I have been to China (not Thailand...yet) and most of them have valid, legit degrees from places like Stamford, Harvard, Oxford, U of Athabasca, even Yale.
I have found more clowns and fakes in Korea than in any other place I have travelled to or worked. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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lastat06513 wrote: |
Stamford, Harvard, Oxford, U of Athabasca, even Yale. |
Actually, Stamford is the only decent school in that list. I did my Ph.D in English Teaching their, so I should know. |
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Paji eh Wong

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Qualfied Teachers in China, Thailand... |
HA!
I say again
HA! |
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