Korean Job Discussion Forums

[PRagic]

Just for the record, you can't be 'scientific' by drawing conclusions from generalizations. You are giving an opinion, and backing up your opinion with examples. Cheers.

[gdnchg]

It's scientific to draw general conclusions from observing common occurrences. It's scientific to ascertain that there is a reason for common occurrences on the basis that when certain events occur at higher than rate than normal, there is a reason for it.

[venus]

[PRagic]

gdnchg,

You are correct if you are discussing the benefits of deductive -vs- inductive research and the 'scientific process'. For communicative purposes, however, your efforts are still 'opinions' defended by observations, albeit limited. Drive on.

[xingyiman]

I will have to admit that relationship opportunities(or lack thereof) was a big reason why I chose to relocate here. But trust me there are many Asian nations where it is far easier for westerners to score in that category than in Korea (ie. Thailand, Philippines). I have dated lots of Korean women but nothing has ever went anywhere serious. I am now engaged to a Filipina (that I metin Korea). I have to agree that the main reaon for people staying here is the money but that coupled with the other "benefits" makes it a far more attractive package for most. I think anyone who heads back home will eventually find work and begin climbing the coprporate ladder. But at what cost? Am I going to live in view, or at least driving distance(under a day) from the ocean or the mountains? How long will it take to re-establish myself 2 years...4 years....6 years? What kinds of relationship opportunities will be available to me in my socioeconoic and age situation...middle aged women who've feasted on Big Mac's and fries for the past 35 years or a nicely shapedwoman who's had healthier lifestyle habits? How many times a year can I take a vacation....and to where?

For me living in Asia is a much better choice than living back in America.

[kalbi]

Ok.... so we can all agree that Korea offers tons of opportunities as far as money, standard of living, culture and more. Why then are twice as many males than female (refering to the current poll results) are availing themselves of those options????

Are women less interested in money and the ability to travel or are the trade-offs/opportunity costs just too great?

Isn't it just as hard for females to start over again once they return home?

Isn't their ESL work experience counted against or to them in the same way?

Or are women on the other hand more willing to bite the bullet and start again in their home countries?

Why do fewer women stay?

Are there factors pushing women away from Korea, or are there factors pulling them 'home', factors which do not have as strong an influence on the male long-termers?

[JZer]

[xingyiman]

[kalbi]

Xingyiman... do you really think that the intelligent, adventurous women who end up here in the first case would sarifice opportunities because "guys they would normally not touch with a ten foot pole back home are ignoring them in leiu of all the thinner and prettier local gals".

I personally find that kinda hard to believe????? Maybe just maybe your theory gives too much credit to those 'guys'.

[nautilus]

males are genetically predispositioned to wander and find new territory. Females are programmed to stay at home where its all secure.

[tareze]

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[tareze]

i dunno.
the going out scene is very college.
the apartments can kinda blow even when they're nice, there's no, um, feng shui...? no, ah, architecture... things a girl values in her home.
it's creepy watching your female vice principal serve the male principal like he's a, uh, prince. heh. (what? are his arms broken?)
getting tired of throwing down just to walk a gangnam sidewalk.
it's pretty rare you meet an attractive western male who's not 22 or irrelevant. unless ya just wanna hook up, but then you wonder why if he wants you to enjoy sex (like want to have more of it) he uses it to denigrate you, or maybe all women, with his friends.
you travel a little and then start thinking about all the gorgeous sunny places with a sense of style.
then you probably end up going to one of them. even if it's California.

[gdnchg]

I have nothing against the UK...and maybe I'm wrong in that the prevailing attitudes towards accepting esl teachers back into the corporate scene is more flexible than North America...so I apologize if I offended.
I would actually would like to go visit Europe one day....


My observations about western males esl teachers coming to korea because of relationship issues and not going back home due to career issues are based on broad based observations that seem to apply to many....not all. But you seem to argue that just because these scenarios may not apply to single individuals that it doesn't apply at all, and I beg to differ. Subsequent responses seem to indicate that my hypothesis is correct.

i think my scientific analysis is now complete.

[Travelous Maximus]

[xingyiman]