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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Yale President Sees Korean Universities Taking Wrong Path Reply with quote

Yale President Sees Korean Universities Taking Wrong Path

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Yale University President Richard C. Levin said that many Korean universities seem to be taking the wrong path for their future development.

Asked for some advice to give Korean universities that are struggling to be listed among the world�s top universities, the head of the Ivy League school that is ranked as one of the top universities came up with an unexpected answer in a recent interview with The Korea Times.

``Each institution has to be true to its mission and its resources, and I would encourage institutions not to be guided by rankings which are frequently subjective and arbitrary in their calculations,�� Levin said.

Apparently the shock of not a single Korean school being listed among the top 100 global universities last year has caused Korean universities to make inclusion in the list one of their core missions. The university ranking list was organized by U.S.-based Newsweek magazine last August.

Seoul National University has a long-term project to place itself among the world�s top 30 universities by 2015 and the top 10 by 2025.

Under the ``Global KU Project,�� Korea University has been actively pursuing the goal of entering the world�s top 100 universities by 2010. Yonsei University has also instituted its ``Yonsei Vision 2020�� plan, which aims to make it a top 10 school in its five fields of study.

Additionally Ewha Womans University and Sogang University have declared that they will add their names to the world�s top 100 universities by 2010.

Disputes over the government�s``three-nos policy�� that governs university admissions was ignited by the sense of crisis many universities feel because of their low ranking.

However, Levin stressed that the direction of a university�s development plan should not come from external evaluation but from self-examination.

``Each institution should determine and pursue what is best for its students and faculty rather than be guided by external pressures such as magazine rankings,�� he said.

Levin emphasized the broad role of universities in society rather than competition over university rankings.

``The role of the university in society has changed dramatically over the past five decades. At Yale, our core missions remain to educate students, to foster human knowledge through scholarship and to serve society through our efforts. Those goals have not fundamentally changed,�� Levin said.

``What has changed is the expectations with which universities are expected to instill in their students,�� he added.

Levin stressed that it is no longer satisfactory for a student to graduate from a university without the critical skills to function in an interdependent world. ``We have a responsibility to use our resources to be more socially engaged in the world,�� he said.

``Toward this end, Yale has recently taken an innovative stand to dramatically reduce its carbon emissions to a level lower than that in 1990. It has called on other universities and corporations to take similar bold steps.��

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yonsei University has also instituted its ``Yonsei Vision 2020�� plan, which aims to make it a top 10 school in its five fields of study.


Ha ha. Fat chance. By 2015 they'll realise there is no hope and they'll try to cook the books somehow. More empty promises to their students. They'll never change.

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Additionally Ewha Womans University and Sogang University have declared that they will add their names to the world�s top 100 universities by 2010.


Hahahahaha... (pause.) Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha... Ha. Ha. Their confidence is very cute.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting themselves accredited might be a good place to start..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the three no's policy regarding university admissions? I searched on the internet and couldn't find the specifics.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their downfall at SNU is that they only want to hire SNU graduates, and refuse to open jobs up to qualified international outsiders (who would bother to come here, given what they pay and offer)? These factors are considered when ranking schools.

Too much educational inbreeding.

The same goes for most Korean institutions. They will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER reach their goal unless they make MAJOR changes in this area.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
Getting themselves accredited might be a good place to start..


And opening up the cushy, protected and tenured positions of Korean academics to outside competition instead of just keeping a few token foreign monkeys on the staff would be the next thing to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that's just it: for Koreans, ranking is everything!

How they appear on the outside and how others hold them in esteem is the be all/end all of everything. The reality of what is going on on the inside doesn't even hold a candle to this!

They are so dreaming if they think they can honestly get an internationally, top-ranked university without totally/completely revamping the way they run their universities and reforming all the ridiculous BS that they are filled with.
I've been at universities here for 8 years and they ain't got a snowball's chance in h3ll!

University administrations are filled with stubborn, ignorant, old men who are adamantly convinced that they know what is best. They ain't gonna listen to or change for anybody!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What BS for Levin to say that. Yale has always been about image first and foremost, and he knows damn well image is everything for unis. EVER-THANG! Someone a while back posted a link to a really insightful article - think it was in the New Yorker - about how Yale and similar schools work so hard to maintain their prestige and their huge endowment. Hollister U.


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The role of the university in society has changed dramatically over the past five decades.
Yeah, the Ivys/elites no longer actively try to keep the Jewish student population in check, now it's Asians.

Hahaha, just teach your kids excel and Powerpoint on the weekends, give em' Strunk and White, say f**k it and send them to school in an el cheapo country. The University of Barato, Perezoso Tech or something.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxr750r wrote:
Their downfall at SNU is that they only want to hire SNU graduates, and refuse to open jobs up to qualified international outsiders (who would bother to come here, given what they pay and offer)? These factors are considered when ranking schools.

Too much educational inbreeding.

The same goes for most Korean institutions. They will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER reach their goal unless they make MAJOR changes in this area.


I doubt that's true. Where'd you read that? I imagine they'd like to attract more top professors from around the world (after all, it's part of the rankings) but can't.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its cool to see the president of a "local" university making a stir in Korea. (if you don't understand, refer to my location)

I think Korean universities lack alot of uniquism and individuality along with a big lack of practicality with a hint of missing what is needed to make it in the business world.

I think the problem lies not with the system but how people perceive the system. I mean, most Koreans view university as a place to relax and let their hair down (literally in most cases) because they had spent over 13 years of their lives trainging and learning for one test; the CSAT and once they took the test and got into the school they want to get into (or their second choice), they think that its the end of it.

I mean, you have professors cancelling class and not making up the work, professors who would excuse students from tests and still give them "A"s and even professors who sell their grades.

I mean, the university and college culture in Korea is way too lax compared to the rigors of many of the top universities in the world, where even the worst one would still top the best university in Korea, tragically....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, these college professors need to stop plagarizing their students work. Cheating seems to be a way of life here and that has to change also.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jg wrote:
What BS for Levin to say that. Yale has always been about image first and foremost, and he knows damn well image is everything for unis. EVER-THANG! Someone a while back posted a link to a really insightful article - think it was in the New Yorker - about how Yale and similar schools work so hard to maintain their prestige and their huge endowment. Hollister U.


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The role of the university in society has changed dramatically over the past five decades.
Yeah, the Ivys/elites no longer actively try to keep the Jewish student population in check, now it's Asians.

Hahaha, just teach your kids excel and Powerpoint on the weekends, give em' Strunk and White, say f**k it and send them to school in an el cheapo country. The University of Barato, Perezoso Tech or something.


I agree Levin sounds so "ivory tower" elitist it's not even funny. If he's not pretensiously looking down on Korean universities, it might as well be all universities not named "Yale". What a freaking snob.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the list from Newsweek:

Check out all the Japanese uni's! Wow...amazing Korea got snubbed. I know SNU and Yonsei students really do study their asses off.


1. Harvard University
2. Stanford University
3. Yale University
4. California Institute of Technology
5. University of California at Berkeley
6. University of Cambridge
7. Massachusetts Institute Technology
8. Oxford University
9. University of California at San Francisco
10. Columbia University
11. University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
12. University of California at Los Angeles
13. University of Pennsylvania
14. Duke University
15. Princeton Universitty
16. Tokyo University
17. Imperial College London
18. University of Toronto
19. Cornell University
20. University of Chicago
21. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich
22. University of Washington at Seattle
23. University of California at San Diego
24. Johns Hopkins University
25. University College London
26. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne
27. University Texas at Austin
28. University of Wisconsin at Madison
29. Kyoto University
30. University of Minnesota Twin Cities
31. University of British Columbia
32. University of Geneva
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. London School of Economics
35. Northwestern University
36. National University of Singapore
37. University of Pittsburgh
38. Australian National University
39. New York University
40. Pennsylvania State University
41. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
42. McGill University
43. Ecole Polytechnique
44. University of Basel
45. University of Maryland
46. University of Zurich
47. University of Edinburgh
48. University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign
49. University of Bristol
50. University of Sydney
51. University of Colorado at Boulder
52. Utrecht University
53. University of Melbourne
54. University of Southern California
55. University of Alberta
56. Brown University
57. Osaka University
58. University of Manchester
59. University of California at Santa Barbara
60. Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
61. Wageningen University
62. Michigan State University
63. University of Munich
64. University of New South Wales
65. Boston University
66. Vanderbilt University
67. University of Rochester
68. Tohoku University
69. University of Hong Kong
70. University of Sheffield
71. Nanyang Technological University
72. University of Vienna
73. Monash University
74. University of Nottingham
75. Carnegie Mellon University
76. Lund University
77. Texas A&M University
78. University of Western Australia
79. Ecole Normale Super Paris
80. University of Virginia
81. Technical University of Munich
82. Hebrew University of Jerusalem
83. Leiden University
84. University of Waterloo
85. King's College London
86. Purdue University
87. University of Birmingham
88. Uppsala University
89. University of Amsterdam
90. University of Heidelberg
91. University of Queensland
92. University of Leuven
93. Emory University
94. Nagoya University
95. Case Western Reserve University
96. Chinese University of Hong Kong
97. University of Newcastle
98. Innsbruck University
99. University of Massachusetts at Amherst
100. Sussex University
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
gsxr750r wrote:
Their downfall at SNU is that they only want to hire SNU graduates, and refuse to open jobs up to qualified international outsiders (who would bother to come here, given what they pay and offer)? These factors are considered when ranking schools.

Too much educational inbreeding.

The same goes for most Korean institutions. They will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER reach their goal unless they make MAJOR changes in this area.


I doubt that's true. Where'd you read that? I imagine they'd like to attract more top professors from around the world (after all, it's part of the rankings) but can't.



Maybe you didn't understand me.

Jaganath said what I was trying to say, only better:

jaganath69 wrote:
And opening up the cushy, protected and tenured positions of Korean academics to outside competition instead of just keeping a few token foreign monkeys on the staff would be the next thing to do.




Obviously, they need to pay more for qualified foreigners, and hire more of them at higher pay. Actually, they should try opening a school and leaving it alone to be run by foreigners (like a branch uni of some popular place in the USA), but that's just a little too much loss of control. And if it succeeded, it would be a huge loss of face for these stodgy old fart Korean men who know everything to handle.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seoul National University has a long-term project to place itself among the world�s top 30 universities by 2015 and the top 10 by 2025.

Under the ``Global KU Project,�� Korea University has been actively pursuing the goal of entering the world�s top 100 universities by 2010. Yonsei University has also instituted its ``Yonsei Vision 2020�� plan, which aims to make it a top 10 school in its five fields of study.


We all know it's highly unlikely. Cronyism, plaguarism, top positions held only on confucian ideals of age before anything else (read - intelignece and expertise...)....

My Korean friend told me she didn't study at a Korean university (her field being I.T.) because all the top proffessors' research and knowledge / expertise was old and not up to date with current trends, yet they still had their positions and younger more able candidates were passed over due to their AGE. Remember these are Korean - thus confucian - run institutions.... She also said they are the same as the high schools. The Profs talk, the students listen, no-one interacts much with each other in class, little debate and God strike you down with his mighty thunderbolt if you question the teacher's opinion or ideas....

As soon as any assesor from another country saw the above, there is no way a Korean uni would be ranked in the top 100.

My uni wasn't on the list Sad No surprise there though...
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