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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: Altercation at Korean hospital |
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This is an amazing story. From the Marmot:
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Bucheon Hospital Body Clash
April 4, 2007 � 5:08 pm
Well, this is an ugly scene [KBS, Korean]�a bereaved family fighting with hospital staff and police in a hospital lobby over the body of a 14-year-old girl who had died on the operating table.
The girl had gone in for surgery to treat a broken arm caused by a benign tumor, but died during the operation. The family, believing the death was the result of hospital malpractice, brought the body to the hospital lobby, where they conducted a sit-down demonstration.
Hospital staff tried to remove the body from the lobby, ostensibly for an autopsy. The family would have none of it, resulting in a violent class with hospital security guards and a company of riot cops.
The hospital claimed it needed the body to determine the exact cause of death. The family, of course, claims it can�t trust the hospital.
At the moment, however, there are a ton of different stories on the incident, often differing in details, so it�s hard to get the straight dope, so to speak, on what exactly happened. I�m sure we�ll find out eventually.
Anyway, according to that paragon of journalistic integrity, the Sports Chosun (Korean), the body was finally transported to the National Institute of Scientific Investigation over the objections of the family.
Thanks to the video, part of which you can see in the first link, this has become the biggest story in the Korean cybersphere at the moment�the KBS piece has 5,000 comments and counting. |
http://www.rjkoehler.com/
And a video, with accompanying article: http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=055&article_id=0000095075§ion_id=102§ion_id2=257&menu_id=102
Marmot has a longer video that is a must see. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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My fucking god 
It's just so unreal. I can't believe there were like 50 cops chillin' out hiding behind their riot shields as all that was going on.
I haven't even watched the whole thing because it just left me feeling disgusted with humanity.... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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The police were respecting the expression of "Han", or extreme lament. In my opinion, the concept of Han, while one of the most difficult for non-Koreans to understand, is part of Korean culture that I respect very much. I think it very wise to allow people times of extreme emotion for which their are not accountable (within reason). I except zero criminal charges to come of this.
At times the video is like Jerry Springer, and others it is chilling. But I must say that I admire the family for not just sitting back and waiting for the 'system'. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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The police were respecting the expression of "Han", or extreme lament. In my opinion, the concept of Han, while one of the most difficult for non-Koreans to understand, is part of Korean culture that I respect very much. I think it very wise to allow people times of extreme emotion for which their are not accountable (within reason). I except zero criminal charges to come of this.
At times the video is like Jerry Springer, and others it is chilling. But I must say that I admire the family for not just sitting back and waiting for the 'system'. |
Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah. ok.
I finished watching it and I can't quite get how it's ok for some guy to grab another guy around the neck in a chokehold. If you aren't a cop or in UFC, you should be sitting in a jail cell for doing something like that.
That whole thing was incredibly distasteful. Han or no Han, I didn't think all that madness is going to help anyone.
Besides, they were out numbered and the body was taken away against the family's wishes. What in the hell is fair about that? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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The chokehold would perhaps fall outside of the "within reason" part. But for the most part that whole ordeal was lots of screaming and pushing/shoving. Not every crime needs to be punished, and I actually like the idea of police not getting involved in every dispute and just allowing a situation like that to naturally putter out. Arresting everybody and charging them wouldn't, in my opinion, be a benefit.
The body would have been taken anyways. I don't think what they did is the 'right' thing to do, but I weirdly admire them for putting up a fight.
Anyways, no need to get caught up on my take of it. It is a darn interesting story onto itself. |
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Teufelswacht
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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1) My condolences to the family for the loss of their daughter.
2) If you are talking about the "choke hold" near the end of the video clip, you can clearly see the man being restrained is holding a can that looks like a spray paint can (but it could be something else) The choke hold was on for a very short time and was released as soon as they wrestled the can away from the man. It appears the choke hold was applied only to control the man and get the paint(?), mace(?), hair spray(?) can away from him. It was not, IMHO, beyond reason.
3) If the doctors/hospital screwed up (which I don't doubt for a minute), I hope the family is able to take them to the proverbial cleaners.
4) It's sad that the family, probably knowing the "efficiency" and "fairness" of the Korean legal system, felt that staging something this dramatic was their only recourse in order to get justice or at least get to the truth about what happened to their daughter.
Another day in the "Hub of Asia." |
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hogwonguy1979
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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anybody else having a hard time getting into Marmot?
love to see the comments there.
Wonder if the netizens "found out" about the site  |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Is there a link for marmot???
cbc |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Teufelswacht wrote: |
1) My condolences to the family for the loss of their daughter.
2) If you are talking about the "choke hold" near the end of the video clip, you can clearly see the man being restrained is holding a can that looks like a spray paint can (but it could be something else) The choke hold was on for a very short time and was released as soon as they wrestled the can away from the man. It appears the choke hold was applied only to control the man and get the paint(?), mace(?), hair spray(?) can away from him. It was not, IMHO, beyond reason.
3) If the doctors/hospital screwed up (which I don't doubt for a minute), I hope the family is able to take them to the proverbial cleaners.
4) It's sad that the family, probably knowing the "efficiency" and "fairness" of the Korean legal system, felt that staging something this dramatic was their only recourse in order to get justice or at least get to the truth about what happened to their daughter.
Another day in the "Hub of Asia." |
I pretty much agree with what you are saying. As for the choke hold...there were quite a few times with people dragging other people around by the neck or had them in a choke hold....in front of the cops....
In the end it's a minor point. It's 2007 and this kind of ruckus has to happen to get justice in the what is it..? 11th largest economy in the world....
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Korea sparkling |
That is an embarrassing slogan for Korea. Who ever picked that should be fired. They have bought ad space on many buses here in Singapore and covered them in with that nonsensical slogan. It just looks stupid.
Korea is more dynamic than it is sparkling. And is sure isn't very dynamic. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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www.rjkoehler.com |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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BJWD:
Your cultural insight puts it (almost) all in perspective. In the Philippines people sometimes "run amok" and if it does not result in severe injury or death, it is usually overlooked.
If this were to happen in the U.S. a legion of lawyers would be lining up outside the lobby within a half hour of the first media broadcast.
Maybe we have too much litigation and East Asians too little. Deport lawyers who file frivolous lawsuits. |
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