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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: IRAN'S PRES. AHMADINEJAD'S 'GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING' |
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So war is averted--for now. In a "magnanimous" gesture the Iranian leadership has agreed to release their hostages. But, wait, the charade isn't over quite yet. First you must lick the boots of our glorious President Ahmadine-jihad-alamabad. Although he's a bearded monkey who dances to the organ of the ayatollah, he's all we've got. Our economy is tanking, we can't pay our debts to the Russians for the nuclear plants and we don't have much in the way of modernity but, hey, we've got propaganda galore.
This just in from the A.P. (excerpted with running commentary) :
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Iran says British captives to be freed By NASSER KARIMI
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran would free the 15 detained British sailors and marines Wednesday as an Easter holiday "gift" to the British people. Iranian state television said the 14 men and one woman, who were seized while on patrol in the northern Persian gulf on March 23, would leave Iran on Thursday. "On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet (Muhammad) ... and for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people �with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial � forgave those 15," he said, referring to the Muslim prophet's birthday on March 30 and the Easter holiday. "This pardon is a gift [in case you missed it the first time] to the British people," he said....
After the news conference, state television showed Ahmadinejad meeting with the British crew, dressed in business suits, outside the presidential palace. He shook hands and chatted with them through a translator....Iranian TV said the British captives had watched Ahmadinejad's news conference live and were ecstatic [so much so they almost 'lost' their heads] when a translator told them what the president had said. Ahmadinejad said the British government had sent a letter to the Iranian Foreign Ministry pledging that entering Iranian waters "will not happen again." [We know we were very naughty]
Ahmadinejad said Iran will never accept trespassing in its territorial waters. "On behalf of the great [and I use this term loosely] Iranian people, I want to thank the Iranian coast guard who courageously defended and captured those who violated their territorial waters," he said. "We are sorry that British troops remain in Iraq and their sailors are being arrested in Iran," Ahmadinejad said [yes, he frets over their fate] He also criticized Britain for deploying Turney in the Gulf, pointing out that she is a woman with a child. "How can you justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children? Why don't they respect family values in the West?" he asked of the British government. [like the way we respect our women by denying them education, decent jobs and a voice in government].... |
I look forward to the day that the noble President of Iran hears the whir of jet engines passing over--with the Star of David on them--on the way to nuclear plants. Perhaps then that smirk will leave his stubble-filled face. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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Don't be sad steve - maybe there will be fireworks next time.
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
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I love how PM Blair said;
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| "I'm glad that our 15 service personnel have been released and I know their release will come as a relief not just to them but to their families....Throughout, we have taken a measured approach, firm but calm, not negotiating but not confronting, either." |
I have always said the British were more like the Gentlemen on the international stage while the US plays the cowboy... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
| ...the British were more like the Gentlemen on the international stage while the US plays the cowboy... |
Right.
Just ask the Chinese or any Indian, or many in the Middle East, for example. They just love the British, let me tell you... |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Just ask the Chinese or any Indian, or many in the Middle East, for example. They just love the British, let me tell you... |
Now I'm confused, us Liberals aren't allowed to talk about anything before September 11 i.e Iranian coups, Chilean Coup, Vietnam, etc etc etc Because that was done during the cold war and shouldn't bother the Iranians or Chileans because it was done for their own good, as you hav amply pointyed out, but now here you are bringing up all this "non-history". 9/11 changed everything. What are you going to bring Columbus next?  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Poor Stevie...he want to keep hard and for the US to bomb Iran. Sorry Steve no dice. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Now I'm confused... |
What...?
Truly do not understand your question. Please rephrase. (Try losing the mischaracterizations, for one; whoever said that American and others' Cold-War interventions were necessarily "good," by the way? Neither do I accept the other presuppositions you ascribe to me.)
Simplify your question, Octavius. I suspect there is probably a good one there. But if you are supporting an argument that the British and other European powers have been far more "gentlemanly" than the Americans in world affairs, I really must laugh at that.
And why would I bring up Columbus when I have such a wide selection of others to choose from -- say, Hernan Cortez, the Pizarro brothers, or Lord Lytton, for example...
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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gopher,
I suspect the fact you don't understand the 'question' is actually the heart of the matter.
We, the scum bag left, or whatever it is that Jinju calls us are not allowed to bring up ANYTHING the US may have done at any point to justify/explain why people may not like the US, or explain certain events. We tend to bring up events of the last 50 years, btw.
You just did the same thing, raising old British actions as an explanation for current events/moods/positions.
The question is, if we're not allowed to do it, or if is as invalid as you and others say it is when we do it with the US, why can you now bring up British actions for the same reason/purpose/end? |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Gopher, on another thread:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=82941&start=15
You make the point about how far back in history one can and should go to find a grievence against the US. Well it goes the other way as well, you can't talk about past bad British behaviour if we can't atlk about past bad American behaviour. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| You make the point about how far back in history one can and should go to find a grievence against the US... |
Touch�, Octavius. Nicely done.
But I still do not believe you apprehend my point -- or even my general position on American foreign relations. It is more nuanced than you give me credit for...
Have been unable to get into my own criticisms against American foreign policy here for several reasons: the debate, as you and others force it, is emotional, value-laden, allegation-driven, and just not well-reasoned; it is so U.S.-centric and indeed rabidly antiAmerican as to render most non-U.S. actors invisible, yet local conditions and actors usually decided matters in places like Vietnam and Iraq.
Thus your "why-people-do-not-like-the-U.S." position fails to recognize that there is a good deal of scapegoating and propaganda going on (just as Britain, Spain, and others suffered in the past, esp., for example, "the Black Legend").
Those are my issues. Pretty much always have been here. And whoever said that I bought into Wilsonian Idealism or believe America has done nothing wrong, Octavius...?
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: IRAN'S PRES. AHMADINEJAD'S 'GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING' |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
First you must lick the boots of our glorious President Ahmadine-jihad-alamabad. Although he's a bearded monkey who dances to the organ of the ayatollah, he's all we've got. Our economy is tanking, we can't pay our debts to the Russians for the nuclear plants and we don't have much in the way of modernity but, hey, we've got propaganda galore.
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It seems that he also has a sizable number of critics amongst the Iraqi youth. I posted this in another thread but nobody responded (  ). Well, here is another excerpt, with a link to the origin which I believe is an Israeli publication.
"Ahmadinejad's nickname among Iranian youths is 'I am mad negad'.
Prof. Menashri explains: "Among Iranian teenagers, Ahmadinejad is not very popular. He and Hizbullah are more popular among teenagers in other Middle Eastern countries."
Menashri says Ahmadinejad's rising unpopularity at home is due to his anti-western stance. "He rode a wave of anti-western and anti-Israel attitude, building his career. A populist from the land of the populists. Two years ago no one knew him. For regime leaders he delivers the goods. He turned Iran's nukes into an Iranian national issue."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3316881,00.html |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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We ALL know it's EASTER TIME when ... 
Freed Britons Arrive at Tehran Airport
By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer
1 minute ago
TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defused a growing confrontation with Britain, announcing the surprise release of 15 captive British sailors Wednesday and then gleefully accepting the crew's thanks and handshakes in what he called an Easter gift.
The 15 Britons arrived at the VIP section of Tehran's airport early Thursday in a convoy of sedans and boarded a British Airways flight to London. The crew, seated in business class, boarded after the other passengers had taken their seats, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair expressed "profound relief" Wednesday over the peaceful end to the 13-day crisis. "Throughout we have taken a measured approach � firm but calm, not negotiating, but not confronting either," Blair said in London, adding a message to the Iranian people that "we bear you no ill will."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070405/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_britain (ETC) |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: IRAN'S PRES. AHMADINEJAD'S 'GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING' |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| So war is averted--for now. In a "magnanimous" gesture the Iranian leadership has agreed to release their hostages. But, wait, the charade isn't over quite yet. First you must lick the boots of our glorious President Ahmadine-jihad-alamabad. Although he's a bearded monkey who dances to the organ of the ayatollah, he's all we've got. Our economy is tanking, we can't pay our debts to the Russians for the nuclear plants and we don't have much in the way of modernity but, hey, we've got propaganda galore. |
Didn't know you were Iranian steve.
Also nice to see people can't tell the difference between US and UK |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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The guys look like they've just been waylaid by Indian tailors on Khao San Road.
"I was captured and held for thirteen days by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and all I got was this shiny suit." |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
The guys look like they've just been waylaid by Indian tailors on Khao San Road.
"I was captured and held for thirteen days by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and all I got was this shiny suit." |
Every morning on my way to school I see Korean guys dressed in those same shiny silver suits. |
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